Hi Robert,
Great to know about your macbook air. Looks like apple has worked on the latest
macbook pro which I got just 2 days back. It feels really cool.
Manoj
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On Nov 25, 2020, at 5:26 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’ve been using Mac mini machines without monitors full-time since 2013 and
I’ve not experienced any problems.
On 26 Nov 2020, at 9:02 am, Agent086b <agent086b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
am I correct in thinking you need to purchase a monitor for the Mac mini?
Max.
On 26 Nov 2020, at 8:43 am, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yep I sure do and yep, absolutely amazing.
I won’t be getting a M1 laptop for quite some time but I will be getting
the Mac mini version after Christmas.
On 26 Nov 2020, at 8:38 am, Robert Carter <nc5rnc5r@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
The new MacBook Air is faster and more responsive than my 2019 16 inch
MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro has 32GB of RAM and the MacBook Air has 16GB.
When you lift the lid on the MacBook Air it is on instantly and it unlocks
with my Apple Watch or with Touch ID instantly. Much faster than the 2019
MacBook Pro.
Applications open instantly on the Air and are slower to open on the Pro.
The Air is completely cool even with no fan. The Pro often gets quite warm.
I could go on and on but I think you get the idea. Apple’s silicon is
beating the pants off of Intel in every respect. We shouldn’t be
surprised, Apple always shines when it controls both the hardware and
software.
Robert Carter
On Nov 25, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Interesting as always, can you perhaps give us more information on your
reasons for recommendation? Do you notice any performance differences
between other MacBooks you may have used etc.
On 26 Nov 2020, at 4:01 am, Robert Carter <nc5rnc5r@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
I am typing this reply on the new MacBook Air with the M1 processor. I
can say from experience that this new laptop is nothing short of
awesome. I would recommend it without hesitation.
ROBERT CARTER
On Nov 25, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Most does it must just be doing something special that is non standard
and not easily translated.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Okay so obvious question, what you saying be so then why is it that
Apps such as Infovox iVox from Assistiveware won’t work on a M1
machine?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 7:05 am, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
So that’s what Rosetta does. It provides a bridge between
environments so code can be run across platforms. Fo example you’ll
run some of y our older apps as well as your iPhone apps and so on.
Clever stuff.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Always interesting to hear your take on stuff like tis Scott and I
find it most informative.
I’m leaning towards the M1 Mac mini for future proofing if nothing
else, I’ve been using the 2012 Mac mini machines I have here for 8
years - not all of course but the original is still going strong -
so if I get 8 years or more out of the M1 machines then I’ll be
perfectly happy thanks very much.
It may be that I’ll come up against Apps that may not work on the
M1? Well only way to find out for sure is to actually use a M1
machine then at least I’ll have what I know to fall back on if the
worst comes to the worst though I don’t think in those terms unless
it becomes incredibly obvious <smile>.
I see Docuscan Plus has been updated? Well at least the App runs on
an Intel Mac so will it run under Big Sur and a M1 processor?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 5:48 am, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It’s interesting, in my opinion I see no reason at all really to go
with any Intel based products.
Some of the recent reviews are astounding in terms of
performance and especially thermal characteristics. That unified
design just beats up the competition like a red headed step
child.:). Fastest per core performance, memory access is just
ridiculous and in fact the whole model of how memory is used has
changed. With the long term mass storage, short term memory and
processing in a single unified framework with out the need to do
excessive copies and any number of optimizations really makes the
amount of RAM almost meaningless. Everything is just a blob of
data or feature addressable in silicon operating at unbelievable
speeds. Apple did not disappoint with this one. THere’s a lot of
talk out there about the death of X86 and intel losing its shirt.
(Among other things). I think it’s early days yet but for Apple’s
first pass being so good the Qualcomm’s, Intel’s, AMD’s and so
forth better take notice. When your entry level laptop outperforms
98% of the laptops in the market and for truly not unreasonable
money it’s time to take notice.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Dane Trethowan
<grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Interesting about there being no power button on a MacBook Air,
I’ve only worked with one model of air, that being a 2015 model
which had both an Eject key and a power button.
Regardless of that the machine was a joy to use and I’m thinking
about purchasing another MacBook Air, probably won’t buy a M1
machine, not really sure what way I’ll go yet.
It’s the same with the Mac mini, the Mac mini M1 machine is the
same price over here as the Intel Mac mini was a few weeks ago,
both machines are still being sold alongside each other but the
Intel Mac mini is now $200 cheaper than it was whereas the Mac
mini M1 is the same price price as the Intel Mac mini was a few
weeks ago so which to buy?
I’ve been planning on upgrading 1 Mac mini machine for quite some
time now and would have clinched the deal some weeks ago had the
best-laid plans been dealt a blow beyond my control as always
happens <smile>, so when it comes to Mac mini machines? Well in
the next month or so I’ll have plenty to think about and perhaps
its just as well I’ve had to wait a little longer.
On 25 Nov 2020, at 4:37 am, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
aGreed. This move is fine for me. I have an eject key on my
keyboard, Ok, I have no power button on my air which is weird,
but it works.
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On 24 Nov 2020, at 9:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:
To be honest it doesn’t matter what type of issue it is, fact is
that a shutdown or restart for that matter from a keyboard
shortcut can’t be performed from the keyboard of the computer
itself, a feature I greatly miss but no good going on about it
as I don’t see the people at Apple too worried about fixing the
issue even if they wanted to, I mean how are you going to
emulate a non existent eject key on a keyboard?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 4:13 am, <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx>
<gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That is not a mac book issue it is the operating software it
left I think in catoliena, but it could be one before that.
From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 09:10
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: New mac user
One thing I don’t like about the MacBook Pro machines - from
2015 on - is that there is no way to shutdown the computer from
the keyboard itself, no keyboard shortcut combination in other
words.
From my iMac for example I can hold down ctrl-option-command and
eject to shutdown the computer. I suppose this could also be
done on the MacBook if one chose to pair a Magic keyboard with
the machine.
On 24 Nov 2020, at 11:24 pm, Scott Granados
<scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, I can add to this. They are accessible but I don’t like
them and many sited and blind alike don’t. That being said
though it is accessible. You can either touch approximately
where the control is you want or you can swipe back and forth
and then double tap.
What I do is I use a separate Magic Keyboard
which has all the physical keys. As many may or may not know
the MacBook I think 2017 and on have horrible keyboards. They
feel like you’re typing on mushy peas. This has been addressed
I’m told with recent models, I'm’ excited to try the newer
keyboard which is basically a magic keyboard on the brand new
M1 MacBook Pro. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro and the keyboard is
the worst I’ve ever used, apple should be ashamed. My favorite
today is my 2016 MacBook Pro 15 inch model but I’m hopeful the
new model compares. I would not be concerned about using the
Touch Bar if you have to it’s totally doable just in my opinion
not the most enjoyable user experience but others may disagree.
Thanks
On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Shawn Krasniuk (Redacted sender
"bbsshawn" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Manoj. Welcome to the Mac. Essencially what a touch bar
MacBook Pro is is instead of having function keys, they're
replaced by an iphone/ipad like touch bar. I don't have one
but apparently they are accessible for the blind.
Regards,
Shawn,
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Manoj Govindraj
<manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So what is a touch bar mac and how accessible is it for the
blind?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:35 PM John Panarese
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If it’s a Touch Bar Mac, you will need to hold down the
command key and press the power button 3 times. If it
doesn’t have a Touch Bar or you get an external keyboard,
then Command-F5 will work.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Manoj Govindraj
<manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi John,
Thank you so much for your help. Just a curious question,
you said depending on the laptop. So I am getting a
macbook pro with 8 GB Ram and 512 GB storage. So will I be
able to activate voiceover using command f5 or will need
to hold down the command key and press the power button at
the top right corner 3 times quickly as you suggested?
Manoj
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:00 PM John Panarese
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Manoj,
Welcome to the list. I hope you find it helpful for you.
You will need to power on the laptop by pressing the
power button the first time. Then, you should here a
recorded voice that gives you the option to turn on
VoiceOver for the setup process. Depending on what kind of
Laptop you have, you will either press command-Function
key 5 or you will hold the command key down and press the
SIRI button at the top right corner of the keyboard, which
is also the power button, three quick times to activate
SIRI. You will have speech throughout the entire setup
process.
and Be sure to navigate and listen to all screens.
Holding down control and option keys with the right or
left arrow will enable you to navigate the screens, and
pressing control-option-spacebar will active the, Next,
or, Continue, buttons on any screen.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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Apple Certified Trainer, ACT
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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Manoj Govindraj
<manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Manoj
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