Most does it must just be doing something special that is non standard and not
easily translated.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Okay so obvious question, what you saying be so then why is it that Apps such
as Infovox iVox from Assistiveware won’t work on a M1 machine?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 7:05 am, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So that’s what Rosetta does. It provides a bridge between environments so
code can be run across platforms. Fo example you’ll run some of y our older
apps as well as your iPhone apps and so on.
Clever stuff.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Always interesting to hear your take on stuff like tis Scott and I find it
most informative.
I’m leaning towards the M1 Mac mini for future proofing if nothing else,
I’ve been using the 2012 Mac mini machines I have here for 8 years - not
all of course but the original is still going strong - so if I get 8 years
or more out of the M1 machines then I’ll be perfectly happy thanks very
much.
It may be that I’ll come up against Apps that may not work on the M1? Well
only way to find out for sure is to actually use a M1 machine then at least
I’ll have what I know to fall back on if the worst comes to the worst
though I don’t think in those terms unless it becomes incredibly obvious
<smile>.
I see Docuscan Plus has been updated? Well at least the App runs on an
Intel Mac so will it run under Big Sur and a M1 processor?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 5:48 am, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It’s interesting, in my opinion I see no reason at all really to go with
any Intel based products.
Some of the recent reviews are astounding in terms of performance and
especially thermal characteristics. That unified design just beats up the
competition like a red headed step child.:). Fastest per core performance,
memory access is just ridiculous and in fact the whole model of how
memory is used has changed. With the long term mass storage, short term
memory and processing in a single unified framework with out the need to
do excessive copies and any number of optimizations really makes the
amount of RAM almost meaningless. Everything is just a blob of data or
feature addressable in silicon operating at unbelievable speeds. Apple
did not disappoint with this one. THere’s a lot of talk out there about
the death of X86 and intel losing its shirt. (Among other things). I
think it’s early days yet but for Apple’s first pass being so good the
Qualcomm’s, Intel’s, AMD’s and so forth better take notice. When your
entry level laptop outperforms 98% of the laptops in the market and for
truly not unreasonable money it’s time to take notice.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Interesting about there being no power button on a MacBook Air, I’ve only
worked with one model of air, that being a 2015 model which had both an
Eject key and a power button.
Regardless of that the machine was a joy to use and I’m thinking about
purchasing another MacBook Air, probably won’t buy a M1 machine, not
really sure what way I’ll go yet.
It’s the same with the Mac mini, the Mac mini M1 machine is the same
price over here as the Intel Mac mini was a few weeks ago, both machines
are still being sold alongside each other but the Intel Mac mini is now
$200 cheaper than it was whereas the Mac mini M1 is the same price price
as the Intel Mac mini was a few weeks ago so which to buy?
I’ve been planning on upgrading 1 Mac mini machine for quite some time
now and would have clinched the deal some weeks ago had the best-laid
plans been dealt a blow beyond my control as always happens <smile>, so
when it comes to Mac mini machines? Well in the next month or so I’ll
have plenty to think about and perhaps its just as well I’ve had to wait
a little longer.
On 25 Nov 2020, at 4:37 am, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
aGreed. This move is fine for me. I have an eject key on my keyboard,
Ok, I have no power button on my air which is weird, but it works.
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On 24 Nov 2020, at 9:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:
To be honest it doesn’t matter what type of issue it is, fact is that a
shutdown or restart for that matter from a keyboard shortcut can’t be
performed from the keyboard of the computer itself, a feature I greatly
miss but no good going on about it as I don’t see the people at Apple
too worried about fixing the issue even if they wanted to, I mean how
are you going to emulate a non existent eject key on a keyboard?
On 25 Nov 2020, at 4:13 am, <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx>> <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
That is not a mac book issue it is the operating software it left I
think in catoliena, but it could be one before that.
From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 09:10
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Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: New mac user
One thing I don’t like about the MacBook Pro machines - from 2015 on -
is that there is no way to shutdown the computer from the keyboard
itself, no keyboard shortcut combination in other words.
From my iMac for example I can hold down ctrl-option-command and eject
to shutdown the computer. I suppose this could also be done on the
MacBook if one chose to pair a Magic keyboard with the machine.
On 24 Nov 2020, at 11:24 pm, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi, I can add to this. They are accessible but I don’t like them and
many sited and blind alike don’t. That being said though it is
accessible. You can either touch approximately where the control is
you want or you can swipe back and forth and then double tap.
What I do is I use a separate Magic Keyboard which has
all the physical keys. As many may or may not know the MacBook I
think 2017 and on have horrible keyboards. They feel like you’re
typing on mushy peas. This has been addressed I’m told with recent
models, I'm’ excited to try the newer keyboard which is basically a
magic keyboard on the brand new M1 MacBook Pro. I have a 2017 MacBook
Pro and the keyboard is the worst I’ve ever used, apple should be
ashamed. My favorite today is my 2016 MacBook Pro 15 inch model but
I’m hopeful the new model compares. I would not be concerned about
using the Touch Bar if you have to it’s totally doable just in my
opinion not the most enjoyable user experience but others may disagree.
Thanks
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<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Manoj. Welcome to the Mac. Essencially what a touch bar MacBook
Pro is is instead of having function keys, they're replaced by an
iphone/ipad like touch bar. I don't have one but apparently they are
accessible for the blind.
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So what is a touch bar mac and how accessible is it for the blind?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:35 PM John Panarese
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If it’s a Touch Bar Mac, you will need to hold down the command
key and press the power button 3 times. If it doesn’t have a Touch
Bar or you get an external keyboard, then Command-F5 will work.
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Manoj Govindraj
<manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi John,
Thank you so much for your help. Just a curious question, you
said depending on the laptop. So I am getting a macbook pro with
8 GB Ram and 512 GB storage. So will I be able to activate
voiceover using command f5 or will need to hold down the command
key and press the power button at the top right corner 3 times
quickly as you suggested?
Manoj
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:00 PM John Panarese
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Manoj,
Welcome to the list. I hope you find it helpful for you.
You will need to power on the laptop by pressing the power
button the first time. Then, you should here a recorded voice
that gives you the option to turn on VoiceOver for the setup
process. Depending on what kind of Laptop you have, you will
either press command-Function key 5 or you will hold the command
key down and press the SIRI button at the top right corner of the
keyboard, which is also the power button, three quick times to
activate SIRI. You will have speech throughout the entire setup
process.
and Be sure to navigate and listen to all screens. Holding down
control and option keys with the right or left arrow will enable
you to navigate the screens, and pressing control-option-spacebar
will active the, Next, or, Continue, buttons on any screen.
Take Care
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