/It really is and there's a method for everyone out there, we just need
to find it./
On 11/08/16 22:28, John Panarese wrote:
Oh yes. There are certainly situation in which a client is best to be taught the quickest ways to do things. However, this is situation specific and person specific. I am working with someone right now who just cannot handle anything beyond quick steps to accomplish the most basic tasks.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi,
I think both methods have their advantages, and disadvantages. Since I self teach, for now, the 5th type of device, that includes IOS, 3 different note takers, and now windows, I see it entirely differently. Depending on the person's capabilities, who it is, and how you're teaching, it can be valuable, to, well, even show them both ways. If someone doesn't have a good memory, short cut keys might be better. LOL, I'm never consistent, ever, at all. LET's continue showing, and teaching in our little ways, and whatever suits the user. Just thought I'd throw my opinion in here. LOL, just wait till I get a Mac in the near future.
Sent from a Braille Sense
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To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:08 pm
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Using the mail app
************
Actually, teaching people the long ways to do things is quite valuable. I always teach my clients the long way to do things before I teach them how to cut corners. The analogy I use is basically think of moving into a new neighborhood and having a neighbor show you how to get to specific locations around without actually teaching you how to get back home if you get lost or how to get to other areas.
It comes down to philosophical differences, but it was the way I was taught a lot of devices and pieces of software, so I have always carried it over to my clients.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Good guide as well. But I hate the way sometimes people teach the longer method. I never ever do. I always teach and train the short cuts such as vo j instead of stop interacting with this then vo right twice, interact with this then hit option up to go to the top etc. Vo j is your friend actually most anywhere including mail.On Aug 11, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Zahid Abdullah <zahidisdpk@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:zahidisdpk@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
HI,
For step by step instructions how to use mail ap, visit the following link. I have found it extremely useful.
http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-apps-mac-os-x-voiceover/macs-mail-app-explained
Z
On 11-Aug-2016, at 2:58 PM, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I like to do it by focusing on the message(s) I want to move and use the VO SHIFT M command to bring up the pop up menu and choose move.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:36 PM
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Using the mail app
Hi. To move messages into another folder, here is what I do.
1. go to the menu and vo arrow over to messages 2. go down arrow until yu here move
3. vo space
4. Then you will see the different folders you have set up. Just arrow down until you find the one you want. You can use first letter navigation. Then just vo space on the folder you want and the message is moved.
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[mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:00 PM
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Using the mail app
Hello,
Let me explain what I mean by clunky. I do have my messages set up with rules to go to different folders. If I am in a list of messages here is what I have to do to get to the list of folders so I can choose a different folder.
1. I have to hit VO plush Shift plus Up arrow twice
2. Next I have to hit VO plus left arrow a couple of times to get to the list of folders.
3. Next I have to press VO plus Shift plus Down arrow to interact with this table of folders.
4. Now I have to arrow around to find the folder I want and press VO plus space to select it.
5. Now I have to hit VO plus Shift plus Up arrow to stop interacting with the folder list.
6. Now I have to press VO plus right arrow twice to get to the Message area.
7. Now I need to hit VO plus Shift Plus Down arro to move into the message area.
8. I then need to hit VO plus Right arrow to get to the message list.
9. Finally I need to hit VO plus Shift Plus Down arrow to get into the message list.
This is what I meant by clunky. There are a lot of steps just to check the different folders I have.
Regards,
Greg Wocher
On 8/10/2016 2:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
To select messages use shift up and down arrow. Fora noncontiguousselection use vo up and down then vo enter on any messages you want to
select. The mail app is not by any means clunky. For me I grasped it within
in minutes of getting my mac 6 years ago. I had no choice in the matter by
the way.
clunky compared to the mail apps I am used to on my Windows machine. ForOn Aug 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Greg Wocher <gwocher@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
Does anyone have any tips for using the mail app? I am finding it a bit
example is there a way to quickly select a bunch of messages similar to
using control end or home on Windows?? I do have the 13.3 air. I know the
commands are a bit different since it does not have a full keyboard.
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Actually, teaching people the long ways to do things is quite valuable. I always teach my clients the long way to do things before I teach them how to cut corners. The analogy I use is basically think of moving into a new neighborhood and having a neighbor show you how to get to specific locations around without actually teaching you how to get back home if you get lost or how to get to other areas.
It comes down to philosophical differences, but it was the way I was taught a lot of devices and pieces of software, so I have always carried it over to my clients.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Good guide as well. But I hate the way sometimes people teach the longer method. I never ever do. I always teach and train the short cuts such as vo j instead of stop interacting with this then vo right twice, interact with this then hit option up to go to the top etc. Vo j is your friend actually most anywhere including mail.
On Aug 11, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Zahid Abdullah <zahidisdpk@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:zahidisdpk@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
HI,
For step by step instructions how to use mail ap, visit the following link. I have found it extremely useful.
http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-apps-mac-os-x-voiceover/macs-mail-app-explained
Z
On 11-Aug-2016, at 2:58 PM, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I like to do it by focusing on the message(s) I want to move and use the VO SHIFT M command to bring up the pop up menu and choose move.
-----Original Message-----
From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of gary.legates
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:36 PM
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Using the mail app
Hi. To move messages into another folder, here is what I do.
1. go to the menu and vo arrow over to messages 2. go down arrow until yu here move
3. vo space
4. Then you will see the different folders you have set up. Just arrow down until you find the one you want. You can use first letter navigation. Then just vo space on the folder you want and the message is moved.
-----Original Message-----
From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:00 PM
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Using the mail app
Hello,
Let me explain what I mean by clunky. I do have my messages set up with rules to go to different folders. If I am in a list of messages here is what I have to do to get to the list of folders so I can choose a different folder.
1. I have to hit VO plush Shift plus Up arrow twice
2. Next I have to hit VO plus left arrow a couple of times to get to the list of folders.
3. Next I have to press VO plus Shift plus Down arrow to interact with this table of folders.
4. Now I have to arrow around to find the folder I want and press VO plus space to select it.
5. Now I have to hit VO plus Shift plus Up arrow to stop interacting with the folder list.
6. Now I have to press VO plus right arrow twice to get to the Message area.
7. Now I need to hit VO plus Shift Plus Down arro to move into the message area.
8. I then need to hit VO plus Right arrow to get to the message list.
9. Finally I need to hit VO plus Shift Plus Down arrow to get into the message list.
This is what I meant by clunky. There are a lot of steps just to check the different folders I have.
Regards,
Greg Wocher
On 8/10/2016 2:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
To select messages use shift up and down arrow. Fora noncontiguous
selection use vo up and down then vo enter on any messages you want to
select. The mail app is not by any means clunky. For me I grasped it within
in minutes of getting my mac 6 years ago. I had no choice in the matter by
the way.
On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Greg Wocher <gwocher@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
Does anyone have any tips for using the mail app? I am finding it a bit
clunky compared to the mail apps I am used to on my Windows machine. For
example is there a way to quickly select a bunch of messages similar to
using control end or home on Windows?? I do have the 13.3 air. I know the
commands are a bit different since it does not have a full keyboard.
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