[mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through 02
- From: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 19:15:49 +0200
Of corse the bugs must be discussed, I wouldn't want to buy it until
the bugs are sorted, simple.
On 06/10/2013, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> at your peril. I answered john because there was information needed.
> Please, john, put a stop to discussion of anything but what the list is for
> even if you need to kick some tail.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Well, thankfully John provided an answer, which is great. Thanks.
>
> As for David, I think the wisest MO, at least for me, is to simply ignore
> him.
>
> To address the topic, though, I actually think a discussion is just right
> for this forum and for the macfortheblind.com webpage. Obviously, by the
> name of the website, people are gonna know where John is coming from, e.g.
> the Apple perspective, but considering Google's accessibility, having a side
> by side, in depth comparison and analysis from people who have used both
> devices extensively would likely win more people to the Apple side of
> things.
>
> Thing is, it has been two years since I've evaluated my choice, and loads of
> things have changed since then, so, me being myself and saying I wish to be
> fair, despite my own Apple leanings, seems perfectly within the rules of
> this forum and with my personal style.
>
> And that's all I intend on contributing on this thread.
>
>
>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 10:08 PM, "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> O my who made you the moderator??? And it is tipical of you you get your
>> worthless 2 cents in and then in the next email say it is not to be
>> discussed on this list get a life
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 19:53
>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through
>>> 02
>>>
>>> as I said before, we cannot abide this discussion on the list. Please
>>> take it elsewhere.
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have only ever had an iPhone, but have debated/toyed with the idea of
>>> getting a Droid Nexus. Thing is, I haven't found any objective, in
>>> depth, accessibility and real world feature analysis of both the Nexus
>>> and the new 5s.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a link or a source I could check to
>>> get such an analysis. Realistically, as I've spent loads of money on
>>> Apple apps, I'd like to stay with Apple, but ever time contract comes
>>> up to renewal, I do like giving every option a fair shake.
>>>
>>> As for Windows phone, I'm assuming accessibility is still a joke.
>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "David Hilbert Poehlman"
>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> What do you think of the enhanced Siri?
>>>>
>>>> I love being able to go to accessibility settings or to turn things
>>> off and on or on and off as the case may be.
>>>>
>>>> This can be fun if you don't get to serious about it <grin>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Off to dinner.
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to reply to David's below post when I received my iPhone 5S.
>>> I have been using mine for the last few days, and I must agree with his
>>> observations.
>>>>
>>>> VoiceOver definitely seems to run faster and more smoothly on the 5S
>>> compared to my 5. It's not something I'd say is a "major" difference,
>>> but it is still noticeable. I also don't have the focus issues as
>>> frequently as I had.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly the Touch ID is amazing. Note that you still have to set a
>>> passcode and it will not work if you do not choose to set a passcode.
>>> Once you do, you use your fingerprint to unlock the phone. The only
>>> time the passcode is necessary is the first time you unlock the phone
>>> after the phone starts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>
>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and
>>> LION
>>>>
>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>
>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 4:50 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman
>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> - I promised a review of iOS7 after a week or so, and now that time
>>> has come but I'm not yet finished. This operating system has a lot to
>>> offer and I want to be interesting, fun and fair in my reporting of my
>>> assessment.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I have a surprise for you as well. One of the reasons for a bit
>>> of tardiness is that I also have an iPhone 5s to review as well so
>>> we'll cover both in this review.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm reporting iOS7 on my iPod touch 5.
>>>>> and a space gray iPhone 64GB 5s.
>>>>>
>>>>> - If you have not yet made either move and you are the least bit
>>> trepedacious about it, don't.. Watch the list and other resources for
>>>>> moves toward lessening trepidation.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I'm overall thrilled with iOS7 and iPhone 5s even though I'm
>>> facing an issue which - I hope to have resolved soon with the voiceover
>>> volume control in the rotor on the 5s. This issue is fairly widely
>>> known and apple are hopefully working on a fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> - When I move around the iPhone or my iPod touch, I discover that
>>> they both seem to be a bit jumpy although turning reduced motion on on
>>> the 5s seems to mitigate this a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> - There are a couple of twists in touch typing now. Often, when
>>> typing, i'll be presented with an alternate character picker which may
>>> well be due to screen sensitivity and at times while typing again using
>>> touch typing, I begin hearing the word select as I traverse the
>>> keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> That in a nutshell is my review although I've a good deal more to
>>> share which some might find interesting so if you don't want to read a
>>> long detailed report on the events and experiences leading up to the
>>> above conclusions, stopping here will not only provide you with what
>>> you need to make a current decision but also spare you from what is to
>>> come.
>>>>> The adventure:
>>>>>
>>>>> - iOS 7 was acquired late on the 18th and placed onto an iPhone4s
>>> and an iPod touch 5 both 64GB and both less than a month old.
>>>>>
>>>>> - The screen interaction issues were observed soon after the updates
>>> were installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> - The 4s was just sluggish enough to push us over the edge since we
>>> were close anyway, towards getting 5esses.
>>>>>
>>>>> We set out bright and early on the morning of the launch and arrived
>>> at the apple store shortly before 9. We were given our cards thus
>>> affirming our places in line. The line moved fairly quickly and before
>>> we knew it, we were some ways in back of it. An apple store employee
>>> moved us inside and our position in the cue was held till it was our
>>> turn in line. Boy, what a racket but also, what a difference from two
>>> years ago when the 4s was launched. I think the crowd was even bigger.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were told when filling in our cards that only "space gray" was
>>> available and decided we'd not mind that all things considered. Our
>>> turn to be served came quickly enough and we got phones and cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginning the transfer from 4s to 5s was fairly straightforward and
>>> typical of say setting up a phone as new or even restoring from an
>>> earlier backup. (We traded our phones in). As our business as
>>> concluded after the initial setup, as is my want I decided to lock my
>>> phone so that I could stow it in my pocket. It would not lock. After
>>> a bit, this was determined to be you guessed it, a hardware issue so I
>>> was given a new phone but not so fast. There was a bit of trouble in
>>> that for some reason, my att info was not being transferred to the new
>>> phone. This was eventually sorted and just before noon, we were on our
>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things I love about iOS7:
>>>>>
>>>>> - iTunes radio is awesome!
>>>>>
>>>>> - I love the new VO gestures.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I am pleased at the way the app switcher and the control center
>>> gestures work as well as the new spotlight search gesture and others.
>>>>>
>>>>> - When you begin working with the 5s, you'll notice right away that
>>> the home button is just a bit larger than that of the other devices and
>>> that is due to the ring around it for helping with the touch id
>>> feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> - I set up the touch id on friday night, went to bed, and found when
>>> I woke and attempted to use my fingerprint to unlock the phone, it was
>>> not happening. I relate this so that you will know what to do in the
>>> event this happens to you. Restore the phone. To do this, now, you
>>> must turn off find my iPhone if it is in use.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Even the 5s is somewhat slow to respond to requests for activity
>>> which surprised me. I did turn on reduced motion which seems to have
>>> helped.
>>>>>
>>>>> to a second iPhone?
>>>>>
>>>>> - The story should end here, but I discovered a bug I'd not seen
>>> mentioned anywhere on Wednesday the 25th which was startling and I was
>>> surprised that I'd over looked it till
>>>>> then. The voiceover volume in the rotor does not adjust upward
>>> above %35.
>>>>>
>>>>> - A case on this was established with apple and an appointment to
>>> visit the apple store was eventually made for Friday the 27th. The
>>> phone was swapped out to no avail. Further research just prior to the
>>> return to the apple store revealed at least one other person having
>>> this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> - So, as you can see, the store is not yet complete even after three
>>> iPhones. I'm waiting on some information from apple support staff who
>>> are reviewing this issue. I'll bring this information to the list as
>>> soon as I am able.
>>>>>
>>>>> This review/summation is written in hope that someone will be helped
>>> by its contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Explanation of omissions:
>>>>> The specifications of the new iOS and the new devices are available
>>> on the apple web and the list of bugs is widely published. This report
>>> is observational only and a bit beyond that in order to provide full
>>> and unique information.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are all served best when we work together to move toward a better
>>> technological community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any errors or misstatements in this missive are solely the
>>> responsibility of the author who would be flattered if you'd join him
>>> in uncovering yet more interesting facts about the current crop of new
>>> apples. No oranges please though, too much acid.
>>>>>
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