[mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through 02
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 14:04:58 -0400
Hi Scott,
This is probably something to discuss off list. I have basically broken my
own list rule by “bashing” a company on list. I do have several reasons why I
am not a fan of Google and they come from a lot of research and speaking to
people who know a lot more than I do. However, as I said, I don’t want to turn
this into a list discussion that is completely off topic.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John, just a follow up if it's ok, if not feel free to shut down the thread?
> Could you expand more on your objections to the google environment? I've
> heard some objections in the past from people but none that I ever bought to
> any degree.
> The big brother aspect never interested me much only because Apple is
> as much of a data collector as Google and honestly Google has been more vocal
> against government monitoring than Apple. So what's your beef as the kids
> say? :) I value your opinions so would be interested in your take.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:24 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I’ll sum it up from what I have been told by four different people with
>> both extensive iiOS and Android use. At this point, Android’s accessibility
>> hasn’t reach iPhone 3GS in quality quite yet. It has progressed quite a
>> bit, but again, I wouldn’t touch Android anyway because it’s Google for
>> starters and because the whole Android ecosystem is fractured and confusing
>> because of how many hardware handset makers there are and the limitations
>> they place on devices to force you to upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
>>
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Of corse the bugs must be discussed, I wouldn't want to buy it until
>>> the bugs are sorted, simple.
>>>
>>> On 06/10/2013, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> at your peril. I answered john because there was information needed.
>>>> Please, john, put a stop to discussion of anything but what the list is for
>>>> even if you need to kick some tail.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, thankfully John provided an answer, which is great. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> As for David, I think the wisest MO, at least for me, is to simply ignore
>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>> To address the topic, though, I actually think a discussion is just right
>>>> for this forum and for the macfortheblind.com webpage. Obviously, by the
>>>> name of the website, people are gonna know where John is coming from, e.g.
>>>> the Apple perspective, but considering Google's accessibility, having a
>>>> side
>>>> by side, in depth comparison and analysis from people who have used both
>>>> devices extensively would likely win more people to the Apple side of
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, it has been two years since I've evaluated my choice, and loads
>>>> of
>>>> things have changed since then, so, me being myself and saying I wish to be
>>>> fair, despite my own Apple leanings, seems perfectly within the rules of
>>>> this forum and with my personal style.
>>>>
>>>> And that's all I intend on contributing on this thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 10:08 PM, "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> O my who made you the moderator??? And it is tipical of you you get your
>>>>> worthless 2 cents in and then in the next email say it is not to be
>>>>> discussed on this list get a life
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 19:53
>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through
>>>>>> 02
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as I said before, we cannot abide this discussion on the list. Please
>>>>>> take it elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have only ever had an iPhone, but have debated/toyed with the idea of
>>>>>> getting a Droid Nexus. Thing is, I haven't found any objective, in
>>>>>> depth, accessibility and real world feature analysis of both the Nexus
>>>>>> and the new 5s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a link or a source I could check to
>>>>>> get such an analysis. Realistically, as I've spent loads of money on
>>>>>> Apple apps, I'd like to stay with Apple, but ever time contract comes
>>>>>> up to renewal, I do like giving every option a fair shake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Windows phone, I'm assuming accessibility is still a joke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "David Hilbert Poehlman"
>>>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think of the enhanced Siri?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love being able to go to accessibility settings or to turn things
>>>>>> off and on or on and off as the case may be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can be fun if you don't get to serious about it <grin>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Off to dinner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to reply to David's below post when I received my iPhone 5S.
>>>>>> I have been using mine for the last few days, and I must agree with his
>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VoiceOver definitely seems to run faster and more smoothly on the 5S
>>>>>> compared to my 5. It's not something I'd say is a "major" difference,
>>>>>> but it is still noticeable. I also don't have the focus issues as
>>>>>> frequently as I had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lastly the Touch ID is amazing. Note that you still have to set a
>>>>>> passcode and it will not work if you do not choose to set a passcode.
>>>>>> Once you do, you use your fingerprint to unlock the phone. The only
>>>>>> time the passcode is necessary is the first time you unlock the phone
>>>>>> after the phone starts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and
>>>>>> LION
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 4:50 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I promised a review of iOS7 after a week or so, and now that time
>>>>>> has come but I'm not yet finished. This operating system has a lot to
>>>>>> offer and I want to be interesting, fun and fair in my reporting of my
>>>>>> assessment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I have a surprise for you as well. One of the reasons for a bit
>>>>>> of tardiness is that I also have an iPhone 5s to review as well so
>>>>>> we'll cover both in this review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm reporting iOS7 on my iPod touch 5.
>>>>>>>> and a space gray iPhone 64GB 5s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - If you have not yet made either move and you are the least bit
>>>>>> trepedacious about it, don't.. Watch the list and other resources for
>>>>>>>> moves toward lessening trepidation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I'm overall thrilled with iOS7 and iPhone 5s even though I'm
>>>>>> facing an issue which - I hope to have resolved soon with the voiceover
>>>>>> volume control in the rotor on the 5s. This issue is fairly widely
>>>>>> known and apple are hopefully working on a fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - When I move around the iPhone or my iPod touch, I discover that
>>>>>> they both seem to be a bit jumpy although turning reduced motion on on
>>>>>> the 5s seems to mitigate this a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - There are a couple of twists in touch typing now. Often, when
>>>>>> typing, i'll be presented with an alternate character picker which may
>>>>>> well be due to screen sensitivity and at times while typing again using
>>>>>> touch typing, I begin hearing the word select as I traverse the
>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That in a nutshell is my review although I've a good deal more to
>>>>>> share which some might find interesting so if you don't want to read a
>>>>>> long detailed report on the events and experiences leading up to the
>>>>>> above conclusions, stopping here will not only provide you with what
>>>>>> you need to make a current decision but also spare you from what is to
>>>>>> come.
>>>>>>>> The adventure:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - iOS 7 was acquired late on the 18th and placed onto an iPhone4s
>>>>>> and an iPod touch 5 both 64GB and both less than a month old.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The screen interaction issues were observed soon after the updates
>>>>>> were installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The 4s was just sluggish enough to push us over the edge since we
>>>>>> were close anyway, towards getting 5esses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We set out bright and early on the morning of the launch and arrived
>>>>>> at the apple store shortly before 9. We were given our cards thus
>>>>>> affirming our places in line. The line moved fairly quickly and before
>>>>>> we knew it, we were some ways in back of it. An apple store employee
>>>>>> moved us inside and our position in the cue was held till it was our
>>>>>> turn in line. Boy, what a racket but also, what a difference from two
>>>>>> years ago when the 4s was launched. I think the crowd was even bigger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We were told when filling in our cards that only "space gray" was
>>>>>> available and decided we'd not mind that all things considered. Our
>>>>>> turn to be served came quickly enough and we got phones and cases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beginning the transfer from 4s to 5s was fairly straightforward and
>>>>>> typical of say setting up a phone as new or even restoring from an
>>>>>> earlier backup. (We traded our phones in). As our business as
>>>>>> concluded after the initial setup, as is my want I decided to lock my
>>>>>> phone so that I could stow it in my pocket. It would not lock. After
>>>>>> a bit, this was determined to be you guessed it, a hardware issue so I
>>>>>> was given a new phone but not so fast. There was a bit of trouble in
>>>>>> that for some reason, my att info was not being transferred to the new
>>>>>> phone. This was eventually sorted and just before noon, we were on our
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things I love about iOS7:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - iTunes radio is awesome!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I love the new VO gestures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I am pleased at the way the app switcher and the control center
>>>>>> gestures work as well as the new spotlight search gesture and others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - When you begin working with the 5s, you'll notice right away that
>>>>>> the home button is just a bit larger than that of the other devices and
>>>>>> that is due to the ring around it for helping with the touch id
>>>>>> feature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - I set up the touch id on friday night, went to bed, and found when
>>>>>> I woke and attempted to use my fingerprint to unlock the phone, it was
>>>>>> not happening. I relate this so that you will know what to do in the
>>>>>> event this happens to you. Restore the phone. To do this, now, you
>>>>>> must turn off find my iPhone if it is in use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Even the 5s is somewhat slow to respond to requests for activity
>>>>>> which surprised me. I did turn on reduced motion which seems to have
>>>>>> helped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to a second iPhone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The story should end here, but I discovered a bug I'd not seen
>>>>>> mentioned anywhere on Wednesday the 25th which was startling and I was
>>>>>> surprised that I'd over looked it till
>>>>>>>> then. The voiceover volume in the rotor does not adjust upward
>>>>>> above %35.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - A case on this was established with apple and an appointment to
>>>>>> visit the apple store was eventually made for Friday the 27th. The
>>>>>> phone was swapped out to no avail. Further research just prior to the
>>>>>> return to the apple store revealed at least one other person having
>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - So, as you can see, the store is not yet complete even after three
>>>>>> iPhones. I'm waiting on some information from apple support staff who
>>>>>> are reviewing this issue. I'll bring this information to the list as
>>>>>> soon as I am able.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This review/summation is written in hope that someone will be helped
>>>>>> by its contents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Explanation of omissions:
>>>>>>>> The specifications of the new iOS and the new devices are available
>>>>>> on the apple web and the list of bugs is widely published. This report
>>>>>> is observational only and a bit beyond that in order to provide full
>>>>>> and unique information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are all served best when we work together to move toward a better
>>>>>> technological community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any errors or misstatements in this missive are solely the
>>>>>> responsibility of the author who would be flattered if you'd join him
>>>>>> in uncovering yet more interesting facts about the current crop of new
>>>>>> apples. No oranges please though, too much acid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed
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>>>>>>>> touching the internet
>>>>>>>> Reducing Technology's disabilities
>>>>>>>> One Byte At a time
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