[mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through 02
- From: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 19:30:50 +0200
I understand that, but the last point I don't yet understand, as with
apple you don't really have much chance and time with one device
before they also force you to upgrade. I have an IPod touch with IOS 6
on it, and although its stil usable, its slower than when it ran ios
4.3, so I am force to upgrade to something newer if I want the same
speed as I had before.
On 06/10/2013, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I’ll sum it up from what I have been told by four different people with
> both extensive iiOS and Android use. At this point, Android’s accessibility
> hasn’t reach iPhone 3GS in quality quite yet. It has progressed quite a
> bit, but again, I wouldn’t touch Android anyway because it’s Google for
> starters and because the whole Android ecosystem is fractured and confusing
> because of how many hardware handset makers there are and the limitations
> they place on devices to force you to upgrade.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
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> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Of corse the bugs must be discussed, I wouldn't want to buy it until
>> the bugs are sorted, simple.
>>
>> On 06/10/2013, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> at your peril. I answered john because there was information needed.
>>> Please, john, put a stop to discussion of anything but what the list is
>>> for
>>> even if you need to kick some tail.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, thankfully John provided an answer, which is great. Thanks.
>>>
>>> As for David, I think the wisest MO, at least for me, is to simply
>>> ignore
>>> him.
>>>
>>> To address the topic, though, I actually think a discussion is just
>>> right
>>> for this forum and for the macfortheblind.com webpage. Obviously, by the
>>> name of the website, people are gonna know where John is coming from,
>>> e.g.
>>> the Apple perspective, but considering Google's accessibility, having a
>>> side
>>> by side, in depth comparison and analysis from people who have used both
>>> devices extensively would likely win more people to the Apple side of
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Thing is, it has been two years since I've evaluated my choice, and loads
>>> of
>>> things have changed since then, so, me being myself and saying I wish to
>>> be
>>> fair, despite my own Apple leanings, seems perfectly within the rules of
>>> this forum and with my personal style.
>>>
>>> And that's all I intend on contributing on this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 10:08 PM, "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> O my who made you the moderator??? And it is tipical of you you get
>>>> your
>>>> worthless 2 cents in and then in the next email say it is not to be
>>>> discussed on this list get a life
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 19:53
>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: observations on iPhone 5s and ios7 through
>>>>> 02
>>>>>
>>>>> as I said before, we cannot abide this discussion on the list. Please
>>>>> take it elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Samuel Negron <samuel_negron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have only ever had an iPhone, but have debated/toyed with the idea
>>>>> of
>>>>> getting a Droid Nexus. Thing is, I haven't found any objective, in
>>>>> depth, accessibility and real world feature analysis of both the Nexus
>>>>> and the new 5s.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a link or a source I could check to
>>>>> get such an analysis. Realistically, as I've spent loads of money on
>>>>> Apple apps, I'd like to stay with Apple, but ever time contract comes
>>>>> up to renewal, I do like giving every option a fair shake.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Windows phone, I'm assuming accessibility is still a joke.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "David Hilbert Poehlman"
>>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think of the enhanced Siri?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love being able to go to accessibility settings or to turn things
>>>>> off and on or on and off as the case may be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This can be fun if you don't get to serious about it <grin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off to dinner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:01 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to reply to David's below post when I received my iPhone 5S.
>>>>> I have been using mine for the last few days, and I must agree with
>>>>> his
>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VoiceOver definitely seems to run faster and more smoothly on the 5S
>>>>> compared to my 5. It's not something I'd say is a "major" difference,
>>>>> but it is still noticeable. I also don't have the focus issues as
>>>>> frequently as I had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lastly the Touch ID is amazing. Note that you still have to set a
>>>>> passcode and it will not work if you do not choose to set a passcode.
>>>>> Once you do, you use your fingerprint to unlock the phone. The only
>>>>> time the passcode is necessary is the first time you unlock the phone
>>>>> after the phone starts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>> Director
>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and
>>>>> LION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 4:50 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I promised a review of iOS7 after a week or so, and now that time
>>>>> has come but I'm not yet finished. This operating system has a lot to
>>>>> offer and I want to be interesting, fun and fair in my reporting of my
>>>>> assessment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I have a surprise for you as well. One of the reasons for a bit
>>>>> of tardiness is that I also have an iPhone 5s to review as well so
>>>>> we'll cover both in this review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm reporting iOS7 on my iPod touch 5.
>>>>>>> and a space gray iPhone 64GB 5s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - If you have not yet made either move and you are the least bit
>>>>> trepedacious about it, don't.. Watch the list and other resources for
>>>>>>> moves toward lessening trepidation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I'm overall thrilled with iOS7 and iPhone 5s even though I'm
>>>>> facing an issue which - I hope to have resolved soon with the
>>>>> voiceover
>>>>> volume control in the rotor on the 5s. This issue is fairly widely
>>>>> known and apple are hopefully working on a fix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - When I move around the iPhone or my iPod touch, I discover that
>>>>> they both seem to be a bit jumpy although turning reduced motion on on
>>>>> the 5s seems to mitigate this a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - There are a couple of twists in touch typing now. Often, when
>>>>> typing, i'll be presented with an alternate character picker which may
>>>>> well be due to screen sensitivity and at times while typing again
>>>>> using
>>>>> touch typing, I begin hearing the word select as I traverse the
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That in a nutshell is my review although I've a good deal more to
>>>>> share which some might find interesting so if you don't want to read a
>>>>> long detailed report on the events and experiences leading up to the
>>>>> above conclusions, stopping here will not only provide you with what
>>>>> you need to make a current decision but also spare you from what is to
>>>>> come.
>>>>>>> The adventure:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - iOS 7 was acquired late on the 18th and placed onto an iPhone4s
>>>>> and an iPod touch 5 both 64GB and both less than a month old.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - The screen interaction issues were observed soon after the updates
>>>>> were installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - The 4s was just sluggish enough to push us over the edge since we
>>>>> were close anyway, towards getting 5esses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We set out bright and early on the morning of the launch and arrived
>>>>> at the apple store shortly before 9. We were given our cards thus
>>>>> affirming our places in line. The line moved fairly quickly and
>>>>> before
>>>>> we knew it, we were some ways in back of it. An apple store employee
>>>>> moved us inside and our position in the cue was held till it was our
>>>>> turn in line. Boy, what a racket but also, what a difference from two
>>>>> years ago when the 4s was launched. I think the crowd was even
>>>>> bigger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We were told when filling in our cards that only "space gray" was
>>>>> available and decided we'd not mind that all things considered. Our
>>>>> turn to be served came quickly enough and we got phones and cases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beginning the transfer from 4s to 5s was fairly straightforward and
>>>>> typical of say setting up a phone as new or even restoring from an
>>>>> earlier backup. (We traded our phones in). As our business as
>>>>> concluded after the initial setup, as is my want I decided to lock my
>>>>> phone so that I could stow it in my pocket. It would not lock. After
>>>>> a bit, this was determined to be you guessed it, a hardware issue so I
>>>>> was given a new phone but not so fast. There was a bit of trouble in
>>>>> that for some reason, my att info was not being transferred to the new
>>>>> phone. This was eventually sorted and just before noon, we were on
>>>>> our
>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things I love about iOS7:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - iTunes radio is awesome!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I love the new VO gestures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I am pleased at the way the app switcher and the control center
>>>>> gestures work as well as the new spotlight search gesture and others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - When you begin working with the 5s, you'll notice right away that
>>>>> the home button is just a bit larger than that of the other devices
>>>>> and
>>>>> that is due to the ring around it for helping with the touch id
>>>>> feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I set up the touch id on friday night, went to bed, and found when
>>>>> I woke and attempted to use my fingerprint to unlock the phone, it was
>>>>> not happening. I relate this so that you will know what to do in the
>>>>> event this happens to you. Restore the phone. To do this, now, you
>>>>> must turn off find my iPhone if it is in use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Even the 5s is somewhat slow to respond to requests for activity
>>>>> which surprised me. I did turn on reduced motion which seems to have
>>>>> helped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to a second iPhone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - The story should end here, but I discovered a bug I'd not seen
>>>>> mentioned anywhere on Wednesday the 25th which was startling and I was
>>>>> surprised that I'd over looked it till
>>>>>>> then. The voiceover volume in the rotor does not adjust upward
>>>>> above %35.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - A case on this was established with apple and an appointment to
>>>>> visit the apple store was eventually made for Friday the 27th. The
>>>>> phone was swapped out to no avail. Further research just prior to the
>>>>> return to the apple store revealed at least one other person having
>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - So, as you can see, the store is not yet complete even after three
>>>>> iPhones. I'm waiting on some information from apple support staff who
>>>>> are reviewing this issue. I'll bring this information to the list as
>>>>> soon as I am able.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This review/summation is written in hope that someone will be helped
>>>>> by its contents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Explanation of omissions:
>>>>>>> The specifications of the new iOS and the new devices are available
>>>>> on the apple web and the list of bugs is widely published. This
>>>>> report
>>>>> is observational only and a bit beyond that in order to provide full
>>>>> and unique information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are all served best when we work together to move toward a better
>>>>> technological community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any errors or misstatements in this missive are solely the
>>>>> responsibility of the author who would be flattered if you'd join him
>>>>> in uncovering yet more interesting facts about the current crop of new
>>>>> apples. No oranges please though, too much acid.
>>>>>>>
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