[audacity4blind] Re: Keyboard commands do not work
- From: Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:58:05 GMT
Gene,
In Audacity, labels are the primary method for marking a point or
region in the waveform. Use CTRL + B to add a label at the cursor
point or region, or CTRL + M to add a label at the playback position.
Labels can also carry text.
I've explained how to expand or contract the selection, which is the
same as "moving the markers" except that there isn't a marker until
you label that the selection.
I think "markers in the waveform" might be more intuitive for you
as you would be able to move the markers as you describe. Meantime
I would suggest you give labels a try; label the selection when you
have it exactly at the correct position.
Gale
| From "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
| Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:36:59 -0600
| Subject: Keyboard commands do not work
> I'm not sure what you are describing when you ask what I want to vote for
> regarding markers. I think what you are describing is what I want or at
> least most of what I want.
>
> When experimenting with editing in audacity, I haven't worked with the
> label track. I have set the left cursor using left bracket while a file
> is playing and then set the right marker or end point by using right
> bracket while the file is playing, thus selecting a block of material that
> can be worked with. I want to be able to do that and then be able to move
> the markers as you can in Mp3 Direct Cut, goldwave, and I would imagine
> many other programs. If that is what you are asking, the answer is yes.
> Simple editing should be made easy and intuitive. Audacity, in my strong
> opinion, makes simple editing convoluted and unintuitive and I find it
> cumbersome and unpleasant to work with.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gale Andrews" <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:06 AM
> >
> > | From "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
> > | Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:18:41 -0600
> > | Subject: Keyboard commands do not work
> >> audacity doesn't allow you to hear where the markers are set by issuing
> >> commands that play a few seconds of the file from where the markers are
> >> set forward. Mp3 Direct Cut has such commands so after you set the
> >> markers, you can hear both locations, there is a command to play from
> >> the
> >> location of the start marker forward and a command to play from the end
> >> marker forward.
> >
> > You can label points, use TAB to navigate between them (when focus
> > is in the label track), close the label with ENTER then SHIFT + right
> > arrow to draw a selection of a known length which you can play.
> >
> > If you work with a selection you want to cut, C plays a known Cut
> > Preview length (set in Playback Preferences) before and after the
> > selection. You can expand the selection boundaries using SHIFT
> > and left/right arrow or contract them with SHIFT + CTRL +
> > left/right arrow.
> >
> > Sighted users can play between cursor and mouse pointer using
> > B.
> >
> >
> >> Also, you can move the markers to the left or right by
> >> tiny increments, perhaps as little as a sixteenth or an eighth of a
> >> second
> >> by pressing keys that move each marker forward and backward. In other
> >> words, if you want to move the left marker forward or back, you can use
> >> one key to move it forward and another to move it back. The right
> >> marker
> >> has two keys that do the same thing. So after you set the markers, you
> >> can move them by tiny increments to set them precisely. You can move
> >> them
> >> by larger amounts by repeatedly pressing these keys or by just holding
> >> down one of the keys so the repeat key function in Windows will move the
> >> marker.
> >
> > Again, you can nudge the cursor in Audacity with left/right arrow but
> > to mark these cursor points you have to label them first.
> >
> > Do you want to vote for "markers in the waveform" that stay there
> > once dropped? It's a popular request (usually by people who are used
> > to "mark in" and "mark out" points in other editors).
> >
> >
> >> Also, for some reason, it appears you can't move markers until a file
> >> has
> >> been exported, then opened again. I don't know what happens if you save
> >> a
> >> file in the proprietary Audacity format and then open it again but if
> >> you
> >> record something and try to move the markers, you can't. If you export
> >> the file as a wave file or some other format, then open it again after
> >> closing and reopening audacity, you can move the markers. this may be a
> >> real waste of time and a real annoyance when working with long
> >> recordings.
> >
> > What markers are you talking about here? The easiest VI way to move
> > labels is Tracks > Edit Labels.
> >
> > The main argument for using MP3DirectCut is actually that it is not
> > lossy; MP3 DirectCut edits the MP3 directly so does not re-encode it
> > leading to quality loss as Audacity does. On the other hand, that
> > restricts you in MP3DirectCut to cut/copy/paste and volume edits
> > and not much more.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gale
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