[audacity4blind] Re: Keyboard commands do not work
- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:36:59 -0600
I'm not sure what you are describing when you ask what I want to vote for
regarding markers. I think what you are describing is what I want or at
least most of what I want.
When experimenting with editing in audacity, I haven't worked with the
label track. I have set the left cursor using left bracket while a file
is playing and then set the right marker or end point by using right
bracket while the file is playing, thus selecting a block of material that
can be worked with. I want to be able to do that and then be able to move
the markers as you can in Mp3 Direct Cut, goldwave, and I would imagine
many other programs. If that is what you are asking, the answer is yes.
Simple editing should be made easy and intuitive. Audacity, in my strong
opinion, makes simple editing convoluted and unintuitive and I find it
cumbersome and unpleasant to work with.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gale Andrews" <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:06 AM
>
> | From "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
> | Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:18:41 -0600
> | Subject: Keyboard commands do not work
>> audacity doesn't allow you to hear where the markers are set by issuing
>> commands that play a few seconds of the file from where the markers are
>> set forward. Mp3 Direct Cut has such commands so after you set the
>> markers, you can hear both locations, there is a command to play from
>> the
>> location of the start marker forward and a command to play from the end
>> marker forward.
>
> You can label points, use TAB to navigate between them (when focus
> is in the label track), close the label with ENTER then SHIFT + right
> arrow to draw a selection of a known length which you can play.
>
> If you work with a selection you want to cut, C plays a known Cut
> Preview length (set in Playback Preferences) before and after the
> selection. You can expand the selection boundaries using SHIFT
> and left/right arrow or contract them with SHIFT + CTRL +
> left/right arrow.
>
> Sighted users can play between cursor and mouse pointer using
> B.
>
>
>> Also, you can move the markers to the left or right by
>> tiny increments, perhaps as little as a sixteenth or an eighth of a
>> second
>> by pressing keys that move each marker forward and backward. In other
>> words, if you want to move the left marker forward or back, you can use
>> one key to move it forward and another to move it back. The right
>> marker
>> has two keys that do the same thing. So after you set the markers, you
>> can move them by tiny increments to set them precisely. You can move
>> them
>> by larger amounts by repeatedly pressing these keys or by just holding
>> down one of the keys so the repeat key function in Windows will move the
>> marker.
>
> Again, you can nudge the cursor in Audacity with left/right arrow but
> to mark these cursor points you have to label them first.
>
> Do you want to vote for "markers in the waveform" that stay there
> once dropped? It's a popular request (usually by people who are used
> to "mark in" and "mark out" points in other editors).
>
>
>> Also, for some reason, it appears you can't move markers until a file
>> has
>> been exported, then opened again. I don't know what happens if you save
>> a
>> file in the proprietary Audacity format and then open it again but if
>> you
>> record something and try to move the markers, you can't. If you export
>> the file as a wave file or some other format, then open it again after
>> closing and reopening audacity, you can move the markers. this may be a
>> real waste of time and a real annoyance when working with long
>> recordings.
>
> What markers are you talking about here? The easiest VI way to move
> labels is Tracks > Edit Labels.
>
> The main argument for using MP3DirectCut is actually that it is not
> lossy; MP3 DirectCut edits the MP3 directly so does not re-encode it
> leading to quality loss as Audacity does. On the other hand, that
> restricts you in MP3DirectCut to cut/copy/paste and volume edits
> and not much more.
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Bailes" <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:2
>> > Hi Gene,
>> > have you any suggestions for making audacity easier and more pleasant
>> to
>> > edit with?
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2011, 1:51
>> > Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Keyboard commands do not work
>> >
>> > Was the original file an mp3 file and did you export the file you
>> edited
>> > using the same name and to the same folder? If so, try editing and
>> > exporting the file using a different name. You can always change the
>> name
>> > again later.
>> >
>> > If you are editing something that is a stereo, joint stereo, or
>> monaural
>> > mp3 file, Mp3 Direct Cut is much easier and more pleasant to edit
>> with.
>> > It isn't a multitrack recorder or editor so you can only use it for
>> > material that is in its final format and it only works with Mp3 files.
>> > but if you have a file you want to edit and your intention is to have
>> the
>> > final result be an Mp3 file, I would recommend that you export it as
>> an
>> > Mp3 file and use Mp3 Direct Cut for editing.
>> >
>> > Gene
>
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