[bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
Julie, I agree. In that case, I suggest that the
submitter note exactly what you said -- that the text
has been pre-validated,or at least checked enough that
all the pages are there but that there are
illustrations or charts graphs et al that couldn't be
scanned. The the validator and/or the reader knows the
situation. Also, the scanner could read the the last
line on a page and the first line on the next page
that has text to be sure that pages weren't missing.
Cookbooks with illustrations also present the same
kind of challenge, as do some children's books that
have full-page illustrations. THen the scanner should
give the book the appropriate rating with a note in
the comments section for the validator and in the long
synopsis for the reader.
Just a suggestion.
CIndy
--- "J.M." <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Cindy. Well, what happens if a blind person
> scans a science-related book
> and can't describe these things because they can't
> see the pages and don't
> have sighted help? Well, and not just science, but
> any other type of book
> that might have these problems where they might not
> scan well. If the
> initial text is of an acceptable quality, I don't
> think they should decide
> not to submit it just because they can't describe
> what the OCR package
> couldn't scan. Take care.
> Julie Morales
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <socly@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:01 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the
> download queue
>
>
> Ken and Julie,
>
> I guess I didn't make myself clear. I wouldn't
> reject a book until I'd
> looked at it and was sure that I couldn't fix it
> without *too* much trouble.
> I've modified my offer to fix anything and
> everything, having found myself
> working on one book that not only was awful but was
> boring to
> me. I was afraid the one I'm working on now would
> require too much work,
> from what had been posted about it, but it's quite
> interesting and
> so the work is not a problem. I keep working beyond
> the time I'dplanned to
> stop just because I want to know what happens next,
> and I'm so
> involved with the characters.
>
> But Ken, science and history books don't have to be
> rejected or be
> considered unreadable because of the things that
> don't scan well. The
> maps, diagrams, etc. that you mention can be
> described, or explained
> briefly. Formulae can be expressed in English or
> with Greek letters or
> Greek letters written as English, e.g., {Greek
> beta]. I've downloaded and
> saved the Greek alphabet because I had just such a
> situation in a
> book I was validating. Fixing the dates in some
> histories is a job I won't
> offer to do again, though. I finally gave up reading
> Society in
> Medieval Italy (I can't remember the exact title)
> and just skimmed looking
> for the dates and footnotes and used the spell check
> and wrote in
> the synopsis that I'll keep the file and if any
> reader has a problem
> figuring something out they can contact me.
>
> I don't understand why some books which are
> submitted with an Excellent
> rating, as Shelley recently posted, appeared on the
> download list
> as Fair, unless either the scanner didn't put the
> rating or the automatic
> rater over-rode what the scanner put. In case the
> latter occurs, I
> suggest that scanners check their submissions when
> they appear on the
> download list, which I gather is instantly, to see
> the rating. Then
> maybe they can post in the discussion or validate it
> themselves if there's
> no way they can change the rating at that point.
>
> Cindy
>
> Let me present another point of view. Almost all
> advanced science
> books
> will have maps, diagrams, figures, pictures,
> formulae, and other
> material
> which will not scan well. I don't want to be denied
> science scans
> just
> because of this. I would rather have the book in a
> quasi-readable
> form than
> no book at all. In a similar vain, many history
> books have elaborate
> maps,
> figures, pictures, and foreign words which scanning
> in its present
> form
> won't make accessible to the blind. Again, I would
> prefer to have
> what can
> be scanned.
>
> I have read many books which have poor scanning of
> the top
> line--title or
> whatever--but where the total content of the book is
> perfect.
>
> Now I will grant that the more pedestrian the book,
> the more readable
> it is
> likely to be, but there is need for the others.
> And, by the way,
> anything
> like twenty thousand books, currently in copyright
> rather than public
> domain, is a goal we are no where near.
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