[bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
- From: "J.M." <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:34:56 -0700
Hi, Grace. As I said to Mary, I agree with that and that wasn't really what
I was commenting on. It was just the act of doing the descriptions I was
referring to. As for the braille displays...well, I use one, and it's
definitely not easy navigating through all that junk, so you're right about
that. I can appreciate everything you're saying about cleaning that up, and
when I submit a book, I do try, but I'm not going to knock myself out to be
perfect, because no one is. I do try, though. Take care.
Julie Morales
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
Dear List:
If someone submits a book that they know there's a lot of junk due to
diagrams and maps that do not scan well, they should remove the junk. Junk
is junk. I as the next reader will not know that this was suppose to be a
diagram or map that did not scan well. I will think that the text was
garbled and therefore will be frustrated. However, if there is a note
indicating that the picture was omitted, then I can continue reading and not
feel like I missed something. Occasionally there have been NLS books with
narrator's notes indicating that a map or picture was omitted. I think we
should include a scanner's note stating that a diagram has been omitted.
Additionally let's not forget those people who use Braille displays. I can't
imagine that they enjoy lines and lines of unreadable junk. Speech synths
are a bit more forgiving. I feel that it would be considerate of people to
remove junk caused by unscannable diagrams and maps before submitting such
books to the collection.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.M." <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
> Hi, Cindy. Well, what happens if a blind person scans a science-related
book
> and can't describe these things because they can't see the pages and don't
> have sighted help? Well, and not just science, but any other type of book
> that might have these problems where they might not scan well. If the
> initial text is of an acceptable quality, I don't think they should decide
> not to submit it just because they can't describe what the OCR package
> couldn't scan. Take care.
> Julie Morales
> Email and Windows/MSN Messenger:
> inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise. --Unknown
> The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of
his
> tongue. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <socly@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:01 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: 550 books in the download queue
>
>
> Ken and Julie,
>
> I guess I didn't make myself clear. I wouldn't reject a book until I'd
> looked at it and was sure that I couldn't fix it without *too* much
trouble.
> I've modified my offer to fix anything and everything, having found myself
> working on one book that not only was awful but was boring to
> me. I was afraid the one I'm working on now would require too much work,
> from what had been posted about it, but it's quite interesting and
> so the work is not a problem. I keep working beyond the time I'dplanned to
> stop just because I want to know what happens next, and I'm so
> involved with the characters.
>
> But Ken, science and history books don't have to be rejected or be
> considered unreadable because of the things that don't scan well. The
> maps, diagrams, etc. that you mention can be described, or explained
> briefly. Formulae can be expressed in English or with Greek letters or
> Greek letters written as English, e.g., {Greek beta]. I've downloaded and
> saved the Greek alphabet because I had just such a situation in a
> book I was validating. Fixing the dates in some histories is a job I won't
> offer to do again, though. I finally gave up reading Society in
> Medieval Italy (I can't remember the exact title) and just skimmed looking
> for the dates and footnotes and used the spell check and wrote in
> the synopsis that I'll keep the file and if any reader has a problem
> figuring something out they can contact me.
>
> I don't understand why some books which are submitted with an Excellent
> rating, as Shelley recently posted, appeared on the download list
> as Fair, unless either the scanner didn't put the rating or the automatic
> rater over-rode what the scanner put. In case the latter occurs, I
> suggest that scanners check their submissions when they appear on the
> download list, which I gather is instantly, to see the rating. Then
> maybe they can post in the discussion or validate it themselves if there's
> no way they can change the rating at that point.
>
> Cindy
>
> Let me present another point of view. Almost all advanced science
> books
> will have maps, diagrams, figures, pictures, formulae, and other
> material
> which will not scan well. I don't want to be denied science scans
> just
> because of this. I would rather have the book in a quasi-readable
> form than
> no book at all. In a similar vain, many history books have elaborate
> maps,
> figures, pictures, and foreign words which scanning in its present
> form
> won't make accessible to the blind. Again, I would prefer to have
> what can
> be scanned.
>
> I have read many books which have poor scanning of the top
> line--title or
> whatever--but where the total content of the book is perfect.
>
> Now I will grant that the more pedestrian the book, the more readable
> it is
> likely to be, but there is need for the others. And, by the way,
> anything
> like twenty thousand books, currently in copyright rather than public
> domain, is a goal we are no where near.
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