Hi Folks,
I want to honor this listserv, and Chris Walsh who created and maintained it
for so long. I was a relative latecomer, even though I’ve been on the list for
quite a few years now. It’s been an amazing and wonderful resource. So much
respect to everyone who contributed and made it happen.
However, this list has been effectively moribund for some time now. Because
there is an active English language conversation on Facebook now. Because Yahoo
groups is what it is. Because all things come to an end.
Now it comes alive only to have this lengthy, odd conversation about
coronavirus being manufactured in a bio lab. Argh. If that is what
Constellation Talk is for now, effectively, I have a business to run that is
facing really severe issues as a result of this situation, for which I know we
all need support, love and insight. I honestly don’t have emotional bandwidth
for, yes, an argument about conspiracy theories.
I will see and enjoy conversing with you in other contexts. I look forward to
seeing you there.
Peace, Leslie
Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com
Find out more about the West Coast Constellations Intensive, June 10-14, 2020,
San Rafael, CA, USA: http://www.westcoastconstellations.com/
"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching
On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Alison Rose Levy LevyAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just to keep things in the logical order in which the conversation unfolded..
We were first talking here I believe about this pandemic-- and there was a
suggestion that it was man-made.
Then someone dubbed that suggestion a "conspiracy theory," which subtly
discounted the suggestion that the pandemic could be man-made.
As an American, and since the term "conspiracy theory" comes from the U.S., I
just want to mention that in using the term "conspiracy theory," many people
never ask, "Where did the term itself originate?" My understanding is that it
is the product of "psychological operations" of the US government. More about
that here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)>
I will also report that I heard from someone with many connections in China,
that the Chinese people who are familiar with Wulan also regard that the lab
from which Corona emerged was working to develop biological weaponry.
Concerning questions as to how the pandemic will relate to constellation work,
I'm sure that anyone could possibly predict how any war, famine, or outsized
event will relate until we see it unfold. It seems a highly relevant topic.
Alison
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From: "Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]"
Sent: Mar 12, 2020 8:59 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Collective Trauma
Time will tell. History has much to offer about the impact of plagues upon the
existing social order...and there does not seem to be much interest in history
these days and its not taught anymore in many public schools here in the USA.
Anngwyn
In a message dated 3/12/2020 5:56:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>writes:
No one - as far as I can tell - called this pandemic a conspiracy, suggesting
this sounds pretty ridiculous.
I hope not all who don't agree are lumped into “fear based and reactionary”.
WE
On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello
This epidemic is real, not a conspiracy and it is a fact that epidemics are of
systemic importance in understanding family and other systems. The
ramifications of this recent pandemic will not likely be known for quite some
time and dismissing any discussion as "conspiracy" seems fear based and
reactionary.
Anngwyn
In a message dated 3/12/2020 4:53:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>writes:
Thank you Barbara,
I agree and at the same time, the conversation needs to stay relevant to
constellation work.
If it becomes a debate about conspiracy theories unrelated to constellation
work I will intervene.
Perhaps it would be an opportune time to explore how conspiracy theories take
hold so easily and how to constellation work might help us to defend ourselves
against them. After all, they are now so rife on both the left and right sides
of politics and they are being fed by echo chambers on the internet and they do
cause so much harm.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:43 AM Barbara Morgan theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
This is a democratic international discussion group and therefore, unless
people are being insulting or disrespectful to others, which Chris has always
monitored very effectively, anyone is allowed to express their views on these
issues. The truth is we don’t know what the origin of the virus is so we can’t
say definitively one way or the other.
With any kind of group like this there will always be times when I disagree
with what is being said. That is not a reason to exclude it or take the
discussion elsewhere.
Barbara
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On 12 Mar 2020, at 23:03, Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lnipps@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Friends and Colleagues,
It is not a bio-weapon.
Please, for the sake of all that is precious, I cannot put up with a long
thread on this topic coming into my inbox at this time. Please take this kind
of conversation elsewhere. Otherwise, I will need to leave this list. I assume
I am not alone in this.
Thanks.
Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com <http://www.conviviumconstellations.com/>
Find out more about the West Coast Constellations Intensive, June 10-14, 2020,
San Rafael, CA, USA: http://www.westcoastconstellations.com/ ;
<http://www.westcoastconstellations.com/>
"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching
On Mar 12, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Kerim Nutku Kerim@xxxxxx <mailto:Kerim@xxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thanks, Angwyn. What is the evidence for believing it is man-made bioweapon?
I wondered about that but have seen nothing to suggest evidence. What am I
missing?
Kerim
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On 13 Mar 2020, at 08:50, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona !
From time to time Bert Hellinger would refer to what he called the "GreaterWe are currently experiencing a global pandemic, and this one is man made since
Forces " that shape individual lives,families and larger systems. Among those
forces we find war,famine,economic collapse,political unrest, genocide,natural
disasters,immigration,emigration and epidemics which often overlap.. To this
list,I would also add radiation since associated events have impacted millions
of lives for generations and my recent article in TKF "The Bomb Joins the
Family" is about that.
