Yes, this is also my question same as Claudia below!
Amina Kern
On 13.03.2020, at 12:03, Claudia Garcia maclaugarcia59@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello
I'm wondering what is behind when we try to explain the "Big matters" putting
on the same basket facts and fears, including the unknown, of course.
So, stepping aside of the question of políticas, possible conspirations and
whatsoever; I ask here if anyone here has made the excersise of constellating
the virus, the pandemia or anything related. I would like to here what the
field tell us.
Thank you all, and stay healthy,
Claudia García
El jue., 12 mar. 2020 21:59, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx>
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Time will tell. History has much to offer about the impact of plagues upon
the existing social order...and there does not seem to be much interest in
history these days and its not taught anymore in many public schools here in
the USA.
Anngwyn
In a message dated 3/12/2020 5:56:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
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writes:
No one - as far as I can tell - called this pandemic a conspiracy, suggesting
this sounds pretty ridiculous.
I hope not all who don't agree are lumped into “fear based and reactionary”.
WE
On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx>
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Hello
This epidemic is real, not a conspiracy and it is a fact that epidemics are
of systemic importance in understanding family and other systems. The
ramifications of this recent pandemic will not likely be known for quite some
time and dismissing any discussion as "conspiracy" seems fear based and
reactionary.
Anngwyn
In a message dated 3/12/2020 4:53:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
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Thank you Barbara,
I agree and at the same time, the conversation needs to stay relevant to
constellation work.
If it becomes a debate about conspiracy theories unrelated to constellation
work I will intervene.
Perhaps it would be an opportune time to explore how conspiracy theories take
hold so easily and how to constellation work might help us to defend
ourselves against them. After all, they are now so rife on both the left and
right sides of politics and they are being fed by echo chambers on the
internet and they do cause so much harm.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:43 AM Barbara Morgan theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx
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This is a democratic international discussion group and therefore, unless
people are being insulting or disrespectful to others, which Chris has always
monitored very effectively, anyone is allowed to express their views on these
issues. The truth is we don’t know what the origin of the virus is so we
can’t say definitively one way or the other.
With any kind of group like this there will always be times when I disagree
with what is being said. That is not a reason to exclude it or take the
discussion elsewhere.
Barbara
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On 12 Mar 2020, at 23:03, Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx
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Friends and Colleagues,
It is not a bio-weapon.
Please, for the sake of all that is precious, I cannot put up with a long
thread on this topic coming into my inbox at this time. Please take this kind
of conversation elsewhere. Otherwise, I will need to leave this list.. I
assume I am not alone in this.
Thanks.
Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
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On Mar 12, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Kerim Nutku Kerim@xxxxxx <mailto:Kerim@xxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thanks, Angwyn. What is the evidence for believing it is man-made bioweapon?
I wondered about that but have seen nothing to suggest evidence. What am I
missing?
Kerim
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On 13 Mar 2020, at 08:50, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Greetings from Arizona !
From time to time Bert Hellinger would refer to what he called the "Greater
Forces " that shape individual lives,families and larger systems. Among those
forces we find war,famine,economic collapse,political unrest,
genocide,natural disasters,immigration,emigration and epidemics which often
overlap. To this list,I would also add radiation since associated events have
impacted millions of lives for generations and my recent article in TKF "The
Bomb Joins the Family" is about that.
We are currently experiencing a global pandemic, and this one is man made
since the virus originated in a bio-weapons lab. Which lab and how it got to
China and many other questions are still subject to high octane speculation.
Who benefits ? And "follow the money" are important questions and it may be
quite awhile until the fog lifts and the dust settles.
Nevertheless, we are witnessing an epidemic as a catalyst and force of
social change, as well as social control. As Bert noted, events such as
epidemics and other of the Greater Forces are often blind spots in
understanding some family systems as well as trans-generational trauma.
It is important now to stay awake ,keep an open mind, do your own research
with reliable sources,as well as being mindful of the many agendas in play at
this time. Ultimately, it is important to ask ourselves as to how we choose
to position ourselves and our work in relation to this global event..
As of today the Austral-Asian Intensive in Sydney is still on and I am
planning to attend.
Warm Regards,
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.
Director, Arizona Center for Social Trauma
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