Dear Alison and All,
Thank you for the - from my perspective - very valid points you are making.
What I have found with constellation work is that in fact it is able to
encompass a very wide range of approaches and may not need to be exclusive.
There are of course practitioners who may prefer to use a rather narrower
"classical" approach. I certainly feel no need to limit myself in that way.
As I have mentioned before the first cab of the rank is the willingness to
explore the issue. Then we may need to settle on how we would hold a
strong, aware and benevolent space - ground rules.
And just as an aside, politically correct or not, I am not so sure that a
deeper sense of inclusion is not something very, very fundamental to be
discovered. Finally as informative and useful as a rational analysis can
be, it seems to be no match for the raw emotional experience that it may
unwittingly attempt to cover. For me at least the issue is never about
justice, reason and entitlement but desire, wish and preference.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Alison Rose Levy <LevyAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Hi Robert and all:
What I wonder is what processes or resources could serve as a support or
context for such an exploration?
Because as Maria notes, all of us, even while attempting to honor the
space for inclusion have our own personal exclusions, limits, ego drives,
and needs that may mitigate against our capacities to be fully inclusive.
And there may be systemic exclusions embedded in constellation work. In
particular, the reliance on constellation work as the only or most
effective group process for addressing the issues Steve describes in
itself functions as an exclusion of other beneficial resources. A variety
of reasons, both healing and practical may lead practitioners to deploy
this or any other chosen modality. But the special status we accord
constellation work may block the ability or permission to perceive inherent
limitations of the approach and to address them.
As such, instead of bringing all resources to bear on the issue that Steve
raised, what can occur is a subtle loyalty and appeal to group solidarity,
along with a reaffirmation of professional efficacy. Energetically, the
focus shifts from the issue to the form itself (or the practitioner). That
is why I ask what other processes could be useful here? I would expect that
someone is this wide net of practitioners would have helpful suggestions.
Best,
Alison
On 1/23/14 7:51 AM, "Robert Grant" <erebees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Theorizing can be a rather weak way to get there."
Hello Heiki and All,
Being myself of a somewhat critical and judgemental disposition I tend to
agree with you. Yet I felt it appropriate to first make some attempt at
establishing ground rules and establishing whether there is a willingness
to explore the issue Vinay has raised.
Powerlessness in itself and certainly in the face of non negotiable
exclusion is a wonderful topic to explore - if there is willingness to do
so. Of course here on this forum we are all reasonable people. Yet I found
it is the unreasonable reaction that may hold the key to deeper levels of
awareness.
So we need to know is it ok within the confines of a specific agreement to
be unreasonable in our expressions. And as stated before who would hold the
space, if anyone? You see I felt Vinay opened the issue for exploration but
will we follow it up?
Best wishes,
Robert
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Heiki Eesmaa <heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It seems to me that it is not an abstract discussion all but the
relevant part of the OP is this:
"I certainly felt impacted by it, and somewhat powerless in the face
being excluded without any possibility of discussion."
Might be you just want to change state? Theorizing can be a rather
weak way to get there.
all the best
Heiki
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Robert Grant <erebees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Vinay,indispensable
I'd like to say that in my experience holding a strong, aware and
benevolent space or container to explore sensitive issues is
for useful resolutions and reconciliation to emerge. Do we have such aflow.
container here? If we do than resentment, blame, hurt and healing can
What is the actual mechanism to hold such a space on this forum? Who arebe
the people that will facilitate the interaction? It would be great to
experiment. Further I feel this could open up a real possibility for
learning and advancement.
Best wishes,
Robert
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Steve Vinay Gunther
<spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I am writing about a topic that’s a little difficult.
In the constellation ethos, exclusion is understood, generally, to be a
source of entanglements.
One of the things I have really valued about the constellation community
itself is the degree of inclusiveness that is widely exhibited. So many
different facilitators, with their different styles, yet there seems to
isa general ability to get along. This open, field-oriented inclusiveness
apartsomething I find a bit special, and sets the constellation community
dialoguein my experience.
However, recently I was dismayed to find an unmistakable example of
exclusion on the peer level in one area of the constellation community.
This experience was rapidly and clearly confirmed, and the gate to
holdwas shut down completely.
Now, in the realm of human experience, people engage in all sorts of
behaviours, for their own reasons, and obviously influenced by their own
field. But I thought to raise it, as perhaps its a difficult thing to
discuss exclusionary behaviour within our own community, by people who
beingcertain positions, in roles of some power and influence.
I certainly felt impacted by it, and somewhat powerless in the face
| e spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxxexcluded without any possibility of discussion.
I am interested in other’s reflections on this issue. I guess that given
the high valance given to the topic, somewhere it will form a disowned
shadow.
Vinay
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