As to whether inclusion or exclusion is the norm -- I'd say they mutually
determine one another, they are some primal subject-object polarities; you
could speak about Self and Other or Man and God.
Heiki
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Justin Marchese <jmarchese78@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
I am curious what the "unmistakable example" might be, and lack sufficient
tact (among other deficits of personality) to restrain myself from
declaring that. I thought what Sheila wrote made a lot of sense to me and
my experience. I think in a group, openness is the exception. It is the
exception I seek by attending constellations groups, because I know I may
find it there; but to me it remains the exception, likely for the profound
and longstanding reasons touched on by Sheila-- not to mention reasons that
there may be which are beyond comprehension.
On Jan 23, 2014 10:28 AM, "sheila saunders" <peacefulcentre@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
in both personal and professional situations. People tend to look for a few
I see this a bit differently. In my experience, the norm is exclusion,
common denominators, group together on that basis and then begin the list
of those who are excluded and why. Inclusion then becomes a sort of prison
of rigid requirements and a tightrope of allowable responses.
In my own experience, I have been the subject of exclusion within mynuclear family, in intimate and social relationships, and in my
professional circle. Not only, "I/we don't want to play with you anymore"
but specific and hurtful diatribes on my deficiencies as a human being.
After the immediacy of the resulting feelings subsides, I notice again the
repetition of this pattern in my life, which occurs in good times and in
bad. I figure I'm probably no worse and no better than the next guy, and
then begin to wonder, where in the history of my family, does this pattern
initiate, where and how is it repeated, and how does it intersect with the
history of the culture and ultimately the world it comes from. And being a
realist, though my experience feels unique, I imagine that others could
corroborate this pattern or something like it.
So, yes, inclusion is politically correct, but no, I have not foundinclusion to be so widely exhibited as to be the norm. In my experience and
opinion, mind you.
Always interesting to see what topic awaits the new day!wrote:
all the best, sheila
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On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:01, "Steve Vinay Gunther" <spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
a source of entanglements.
I am writing about a topic that’s a little difficult.
In the constellation ethos, exclusion is understood, generally, to be
community itself is the degree of inclusiveness that is widely exhibited.
One of the things I have really valued about the constellation
So many different facilitators, with their different styles, yet there
seems to be a general ability to get along. This open, field-oriented
inclusiveness is something I find a bit special, and sets the constellation
community apart in my experience.
exclusion on the peer level in one area of the constellation community.
However, recently I was dismayed to find an unmistakable example of
This experience was rapidly and clearly confirmed, and the gate to dialogue
was shut down completely.
behaviours, for their own reasons, and obviously influenced by their own
Now, in the realm of human experience, people engage in all sorts of
field. But I thought to raise it, as perhaps its a difficult thing to
discuss exclusionary behaviour within our own community, by people who hold
certain positions, in roles of some power and influence.
being excluded without any possibility of discussion.
I certainly felt impacted by it, and somewhat powerless in the face
given the high valance given to the topic, somewhere it will form a
I am interested in other’s reflections on this issue. I guess that
disowned shadow.
Vinay
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