Re: [ConstellationTalk] Intention
- From: Alison Rose Levy <LevyAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:12:12 -0400
Thanks so much, Sheila--
I did see the Discovery article and know the interviewer. I agree that it's
very relevant and will follow up.
Alison
Alison et. al.,
Dean Radin has studied this phenomenon, writing an article called "The Physics
of Our Entanglements" (which I can't access right now, but which
coincidentally followed on the page after an article on Family Constellations
in a magazine...) and a book called Entangled Minds
http://www.deanradin.com/NewWeb/EMindex.html. Here's an interview with him as
well
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/02/25/findrelig.DTL
He and I communicated briefly when I invited him to speak at the US conference
this past Oct. Constellation work was unknown to him but he found the
information I gave him quite interesting. Unfortunately he was unable to fit
the conference into his schedule (this time?). Alison, you may be a good
person to pick up the conversation with him, perhaps asking him a specific
question that will continue to deepen this topic. dean@xxxxxxxxxx is his email
(Noetic Sciences of course).
Thanks to all contributors! all the best, sheila
Constellation Intensive with Stephan Hausner July 28-Aug. 2 in Farmington,
CTSheila Saunders, RN, LMFT
www.systemicfamilysolutions.com
PO Box 1011 Weaverville, North Carolina 28787
828-273-5015
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To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: LevyAR@earthlink.netDate: Wed, 4
Jun 2008 08:22:02 -0400Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Intention
Dear Hunter:> > Thank you for returning to my question and to Chris, and Max
for your> responses as well.> > Bracketing one‚s awareness, as you suggest
Hunter, sounds like a very helpful> approach to acknowledge what we bring in
while allowing that to recede from> front and center in the awareness. Also
your comments on forgetting,> meditation, really spoke to me and there is
something I‚d like to share.> > I‚ve long noticed that as the workshop day
nears its end, that I am sometimes> tired with my mind a near blank. As
people share their issue, it sort of> washes in and from that emerges one
single thing, an impression, a sentence.> There is often a sense of „we don‚t
need a whole constellation here,‰ and I> tend to do simpler more direct
things with the client, often suggesting that> they or the reps say
statements that come up on the moment and don‚t sound> like anything I‚ve
heard before. Or I‚ll offer a guided imagery contemplation> with whatever
shows up in the moment. I‚ll often feel that I am near to being> asleep while
standing on my feet and doing a constellation. At first, this was> a little
scary because I identified this as almost like a „senior moment,‰ or> worse.
But I‚ve seen over time, that amazing stuff happens then and some> workshop
regulars try to work at the end because of this. Two workshops ago, a> bee
appeared in the room (in fact bees have shown up at a few workshops now)> and
became part of the constellation. I‚ve always wondered whether or not I‚m>
losing it˜ and whether losing it is a good thing.> > Overall, I have a very
focused sort of mind, so perhaps my focus in the> earlier part of the
workshop day has worked the mind muscle until it releases> and just opens. I
also saw a piece/study somewhere that „senior moments‰ are> artifacts not of
senility but of a „broad attention span‚ that does not> filter. The article
here discusses that:>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/health/research/20brai.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=a
g> ing+brain&st=nyt&oref=slogin> > Many thanks and I will watch the Jill
Taylor piece.> > Alison> Dear Alison> > I want to pick up your question,
because I think it is central to all> forms of psychotherapy AND spiritual
work.> > Obviously what you (and your scientist friends) are thinking about>
must be true. It seems unavoidable to me NOT to bring our past into> our work
_ it may take the form of our language, our cultural values,> our personal
history, our training. I can't imagine a life that could> occur outside of
such "correlations/experiences". On the other hand,> cross-cultural
psychotherapeutic work and spiritual work has made> clear that there are
disadvantages of imposing one set of values and> assumptions on another
person.> > So, the situation as I see it is, we can't do without that
happening,> but we want to avoid it happening any more than is necessary.> >
My own personal answer has been to do ongoing, deep personal work to> help
identify my own biases, prejudices, fears, limitations and> resources to the
best of my ability. In this way, I have a better> chance of recognizing when
"my stuff" is getting in the way. I know> from conversations with you and Dan
that you also support this> approach. It's not a cure all for sure, but it
sure does make things> easier. The other major thing that has helped me
personally is to> listen to clients when things have gone wrong. Obviously
when> something goes "wrong" clients often are attacking, blaming, avoiding>
personal responsibility, but often there is also wisdom in what they> say,
and hearing it with an open heart can be an important part of our> training.>
The third thing is the phenomenological technique of "bracketing" that> I
talked about before. Long before I got into Gestalt and Humanistic>
Psychology and phenomenology, I remember reading that Jung once said> (in his
autobiography, if I remember correctly) that he had analyzed> over 80,000
dreams, but that he tried to forget everything he knew> when approaching a
new dream. That stuck in my mind, because I> couldn't imagine how he could
forget what he knew. I'm getting old> now, and so it's a lot easier to
understand forgetting :-). Anyway,> that was my introduction to bracketing,
and I've been practicing ever> since.> > I don't think it is an absolute
thing. Obviously, we remember at some> level, but we turn the brain functions
over to some other part. Right> brain perhaps. Btw, did you see the talk by
Jill Bolt Taylor on> TED.com? Speakers on TED.com get 18 minutes to give the
speech of> their lives. It is a great resource. Here is the link:>
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/229> .> > Anyway, that's all for
now, but I did want to pick up your great> question.> > Hunter> On
31.05.2008, at 14:02, Alison Rose Levy wrote:> >>> >>> Dear Hunter and
All:>>> >>> Thank you so much˘ this is tremendously helpful.>>> >>> I once
heard Stephan Hausner say (and I hope that I understood/>> remember>>>
correctly) that he sometimes has an inner picture/hypothesis about>> what may
be>>> going on, but at each step, he takes a step back from that to see>> if
the>>> evolving constellation verifies it or not˘ and I≠ve taken that>>
approach as a>>> model in practice. In doing so, I≠ve observed that sometimes
it>> does evolve>>> along the lines of the unspoken hypothesis and sometimes
it>> evolves in a>>> completely different way.>>> >>> My question is this:
since I am working with scientists who are>> studying the>>> phenomenon of
intention, I≠ve also wondered if even the unspoken>> hypothesis or>>> picture
that I have could function to influence the way the>> constellation>>>
unfolds? In effect, serving as an intention. As a facilitator, I>> carry
an>>> inner archive of past correlations/experiences and no matter how>> much
I strive>>> to be open to the new, that is present. How to hold and work
with>> that?>>> >>> Alison>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Barbara,>>> >>> That's an
interesting question. As you know, there are many>> different>>> views about
what representatives' reactions in a constellation>>> actually mean and how
to utilize them.>>> >>> I support a very phenomenological position.
Phenomenologically, when>>> representatives turn around it the only thing I
can know for sure is>>> that the representatives turn around. Any additional
meaning it may>>> carry must emerge from the constellation itself.>>> >>>
According to this position, any other meaning it may have should not>>> be
imposed on it from our previous experiences in other>>> constellations.
Obviously there are patterns that repeat over and>> over>>> again, and our
previous experiences in other constellations are a>> part>>> of what we get
paid for to facilitate, but I feel strongly that we>>> need to remain
methodologically "clean" and treat all>> interpretations>>> as hypotheses.
The only source of knowledge about the meaning of a>>> movement comes for the
constellation itself.>>> >>> If you watch the tapes from Hellinger's early
USA trips, you will>> see>>> the same representatives appearing in different
cities. You will>>> notice that some representatives react to any systemic
turbulence>> with>>> a favored reaction. Some fall down, some start to sway
or shake,>> some>>> get weak. Once we noticed this repetitive pattern in
representative>>> reactions, we became very cautions about
interpretations.>>> >>> There is a concept from phenomenology that Erv
Polster, a well known>>> Gestalt therapist, picked up called "bracketing".
That means that>> the>>> facilitator suspends any interpretation as much as
he or she can.>>> >>> So, this is most likely more than you wanted to know,
but your>>> question gave me an opportunity to raise this issue in the forum.
I>>> saw that you have already received some suggestions about how to>>>
interpret it, but my recommendation nevertheless is not to interpret>>> at
all (ultimately not possible, I know, so let's say as little as>>> possible).
That is, I recommend not trying to know, but to remain>> open>>> and curious
about the possible meanings. Premature knowing closes>> down>>> curiosity and
diminishes the openness of the knowing field.>>> >>> This by the way, is a
place where Bert has been inconsistent in his>>> teaching. At some times he
has eloquently defended the>>> phenomenological position, and then at other
times, he has abandoned>>> it all together. I don't think it is necessary to
be consistent,>> but I>>> have seen that many students have been confused and
haven't noticed>>> this inconsistency in his work.>>> >>> Just to be clear, I
realize that many very skillful facilitators see>>> this point differently
than I do, so I am not saying that the>> position>>> I am defending is the
RIGHT one, but I have found it to be a huge>>> support in helping me to
protect myself and my clients from the>>> grandiosity that haunts the
constellation work field. I feel>> safest in>>> a certain kind of
unknowing.>>> >>> Thanks for the question. I hope that it opens a fruitful
discussion.>>> >>> Hunter>>> >>> On 30.05.2008, ad 22:41, Barbara Eggenberger
wrote:>>> >>>>> I have a question about what it means in a constellation
when>>>>> someone is>>>>> slowly turning around and around as if looking in
all directions?>>>>> Someone>>>>> once said that it is an indication of a
perpetrator and if that>> is>>>>> so, can>>>>> someone explain it to me? For
instance, does it mean that>> person is>>>>> representing a perpetrator or is
looking for one? Also, what is>> an>>>>> appropriate response? I have had
this show up in three separate>> cases>>>>> recently and though I was able to
reach resolution, I find myself>>>>> feeling>>>>> uneasy that I might be
missing something important.>>>>> >>>>> Logo>>>>> >>>>>
www.barbaraeggenberger.com>>>>> >>>>> 916.484.5016 503.727.2595>>>>> >>>>>
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