Dear Sadhana/Kay,
When I read your post, it seems that we are using similar words, but it
is as if they have different meanings.
If you would like to talk directly, please e-mail me at tb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
All the best,
Thomas
Kay Needham wrote:
Hello Stephen and all,
I would like to add that the facing of victim to perpetrator and the behaviour of bowing to one another is not actually what is happening here, in FC. Who gets what from these positions is also an unnecessary consideration. Our sympathies arise because our awareness in these moments is not attuned to the presence of life force, alone and untampered with. When vicims bow to perpetrators or vica versa their symbolic gesture towards each other is representative of both bowing down to life. Bowing down to something that is higher, bigger and greater than themselves, not each other. In this way the movement is able to transcend behaviour/biology and survival. The unconscious intention "to get" anything from these movements, immediately restricts soul movement. When conscious bowing happens both give unconditionally, respect for life. The focus to take disappears and love and sameness abides in presence.
In this way the Orders of Love are not only born out of biological survival impulses.
Kind regards
Sadhana
----- Original Message ----
From: Stephen Campbell <coachuno@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:coachuno%40gmail.com>>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 12:23:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of Love revisited
Luis,
Thank you for your clarification and your amplification. I very much like
your take that it is the victim who takes the lead. I see this as a pathway
to stepping out of the victim role. And I agree with you that we tend to
sympathize with the victim for at one time or another, most probably in
early childhood, we have felt or experienced the role of a victim in real
life situations. Your note that whether the perpetrator accepts or not is
his concern and not the victim's. It is brilliant when it happens but it
does not necessarily have to be so for the victim to be released to a more
harmonious state of being.
Fondly,
Stephen
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