Hello Thomas and all,
The meanings are different, although the words are similar. I do understand the
value of aloneness, being able to disidentify or disentangle. The original
detatchment from the other is also valid and necessary. These are all great
points of understanding. However....................
The meaning I attempt to convey includes recognition, acceptance and
acknowledgement of the other. This way it is not "all about me," nor is it all
about the other. When acceptance, acknowledgement and recognition of the other
are absent, so is relationship, so is love. Yes one may have presence however
presence is not always filled with love. Presence alone is not love. The
emptiness of the meditative monk in the caves is often juiceless, lifeless,
sexless........ a dry emptiness. Yes maybe even enlightenent can happen like
this. However does this give anything, is it worth anything? Does this make the
world a more beautiful place? Is it celebrative? Does it have a rich and alive
quality of friendliness among people? Perhaps..................... it took all
and gave nothing.
What is the value or worth of a bow that fails to recognise, accept and
acknowledge the other? Does it cost anything? If it does not, then it is worth
nothing.
This is how I see it.
Kind regards Sadhana
Original Message ----
From: Thomas Bryson <tb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@ya
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 12:11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of Love revisited
Dear Sadhana/Kay,
When I read your post, it seems that we are using similar words, but it
is as if they have different meanings.
If you would like to talk directly, please e-mail me at tb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
All the best,
Thomas
Kay Needham wrote:
Hello Stephen and all,
I would like to add that the facing of victim to perpetrator and the
behaviour of bowing to one another is not actually what is happening
here, in FC. Who gets what from these positions is also an unnecessary
consideration. Our sympathies arise because our awareness in these
moments is not attuned to the presence of life force, alone and
untampered with. When vicims bow to perpetrators or vica versa their
symbolic gesture towards each other is representative of both bowing
down to life. Bowing down to something that is higher, bigger and
greater than themselves, not each other. In this way the movement is
able to transcend behaviour/biology and survival. The unconscious
intention "to get" anything from these movements, immediately
restricts soul movement. When conscious bowing happens both give
unconditionally, respect for life. The focus to take disappears and
love and sameness abides in presence.
In this way the Orders of Love are not only born out of biological
survival impulses.
Kind regards
Sadhana
----- Original Message ----
From: Stephen Campbell <coachuno@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:coachuno%40gmail.com>>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 12:23:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of Love revisited
Luis,
Thank you for your clarification and your amplification. I very much like
your take that it is the victim who takes the lead. I see this as a
pathway
to stepping out of the victim role. And I agree with you that we tend to
sympathize with the victim for at one time or another, most probably in
early childhood, we have felt or experienced the role of a victim in real
life situations. Your note that whether the perpetrator accepts or not is
his concern and not the victim's. It is brilliant when it happens but it
does not necessarily have to be so for the victim to be released to a more
harmonious state of being.
Fondly,
Stephen
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