Re: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of Love revisited

  • From: Thomas Bryson <tb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:02:22 +0200

Dear Sadhana,

I am not advocating a dry, lifeless, sexless presence. I am advocating the wonderful, intimacy of seeing the other as one's own self.

The bow I discussed does not preclude recognition of the other. In my view it is preliminary to truly seeing the other. The bow starts with finding one's own space, by recognizing presence. It ends with recognizing that this presence is precisely the same presence that is there as the other. This is the embodiment of the expression, 'namaste'.

We do not come into wholeness until we can stay present enough to feel what wants to be felt without being overwhelmed.

The dry, lifeless place you speak of can come when one seeks the transcendent as a way to get away from the messiness of one's incarnation. The child is right when they move away from the parents to seek the presence that is unavailable in the parents. For one with Interrupted Reaching Out Movement (IROM), the place of transcendence can be a tremendous relief compared to what is coming from or through the parents. But it is only a coping strategy if the person stays a child and does not return to life. While moving away may be right for the child, for the adult the completion of the move is to allow presence to come into the body and heart, to be present and accept one's family, to stand with the parents and to be present. Just as the completion of the bow offers the inner presence to the other, the adult returns to the family with new information that is needed by the system.

Emptiness and fullness are a matter of perspective depending on which direction we are facing. "When I look inward, I find that I am emptiness. That is wisdom. When I look outwards, I find that I am everything. That is compassion."

When we give the gift of ourselves to the other and receive most deeply the gift that is offered in turn, dryness is left behind in the desert.

All love,

Thomas Bryson
Facilitation, training and counseling by Skype


Kay Needham wrote:


Hello Thomas and all,

The meanings are different, although the words are similar. I do understand the value of aloneness, being able to disidentify or disentangle. The original detatchment from the other is also valid and necessary. These are all great points of understanding. However....................
The meaning I attempt to convey includes recognition, acceptance and acknowledgement of the other. This way it is not "all about me," nor is it all about the other. When acceptance, acknowledgement and recognition of the other are absent, so is relationship, so is love. Yes one may have presence however presence is not always filled with love. Presence alone is not love. The emptiness of the meditative monk in the caves is often juiceless, lifeless, sexless........ a dry emptiness. Yes maybe even enlightenent can happen like this. However does this give anything, is it worth anything? Does this make the world a more beautiful place? Is it celebrative? Does it have a rich and alive quality of friendliness among people? Perhaps..................... it took all and gave nothing.

What is the value or worth of a bow that fails to recognise, accept and acknowledge the other? Does it cost anything? If it does not, then it is worth nothing.
This is how I see it.

Kind regards Sadhana



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