As far as i am aware, Mr Hellinger no longer " does" nor "teaches" that.
Perhaps we could phrase it as " He used to do and teach" whatever...
For your consideration please Anni...
Bizden Canan, MD
PS: i wish U to get much better, soon...
3 Nis 2015 tarihinde ÖS 8:25 saatinde, annimukkala@xxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> şunları yazdı:
Robert, some of the things you gleaned from my words were not what I meant. I
am still suffering from post concussion syndrome and I am having a very
difficult time focusing. Hence, the grammar errors and poor train of thought
and words.
I clearly mean that the facilitator like everyone in the room is guided by a
larger force and that the facilitator does know when he or she has agreed
internally to that. We will work poorly if we are not in agreement with the
larger force. The more the facilitator allows the field to move, the less
they 'control' and the deeper the constellation can be.
There is a fine line, however, when a facilitator clearly sees a
representative or another person in the circle taking a personal control and
expressing it aloud. These are the kinds of things that always must be in the
awareness of the facilitator. We must always be alert to all movements and
discern from where they come. Bert himself does this.
Also, I did want to bring up the contradictions that I see between health and
protective services and constellations. As Dan has said, these two work on
different planes or levels of consciousness. So there is in constellation
work an opening to a deeper unconscious layer of how we connect to the world.
We all know this.
I am not sure what you mean by your statement the "forecourt of hell is paved
with good intentions." But it is I think exactly what I am saying. That a
facilitator must not have intentions. A facilitator must allow the field to
move through them not to intend anything from it. Bert also teaches this.
I am sorry my brain is still not well. But this is a vital conversation.
Let's keep talking. It moves into places where, like in explaining
constellations themselves, there is difficulty finding words.
Yours, Anni Mukkala-Stinn
---In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, <erebees@...> wrote :
Hello Friend,
This discussion seems to be exposing a major fault line in the general
Constellation Community.
“We do not control anyone else's life. To do so is a great imposition on
their integrity as a human being.”
“The flow must be one that flows through the facilitator not through another
participant or protector figure.”
I do notice a degree of contradiction in these statements; a held back desire
to control (“great imposition if we do”), a justification (“the flow must be
one that flows through the facilitator”) and a denial (“we do not control”).
Of course doctors, pilots, bus drivers do have their passengers lives in
their hands every day.
Many regrettable events have transpired in human history in the name of a
greater force like god, nation, spirit and so on. In fact the forecourt of
hell is paved with good intentions, as we know.
On reflection one may realise that the facilitator is just an other
participant in the field. One of the most important safeguards in
constellations is listening to the whole field and respect for all
participants in the room. To impose a facilitator knows best regime is a
dangerous approach clearly demonstrated by this unfortunate suicide.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:25 AM, annimukkala@... [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
We do not control anyone else's life. To do so is a great imposition on their
integrity as a human being. I wonder, Maria, if you had in fact, stepped in
as the doctor, held the patient as your responsibility and then that still
there was the choice of suicide, that you may be asking that your choice was
in error? We want to have control. We always want life to go on whether that
choice is ours or not. Encounters with death always make us ask whether we
had a part in it or not. Sometimes death only grazes us and we feel relief as
though we controlled it.
The idea of being an underminer of the facilitator rings true with me. The
flow must be one that flows through the facilitator not through another
participant or protector figure. This is a complex construct that we do need
to examine. Also, the ability of the facilitator to allow the flow of the
healing energy that is love/God/source/ whatever you choose to call it. We as
facilitators must be very cued to our own ability to allow the source to flow
and move, that it is not us who moves these things.
Allowing someone else to take the role of the facilitator can be very
dangerous. We cannot know the others intention or agreement with the lack of
intention necessary to allow flow. We have life and death in constellation
work that is in a place we rarely see it so clearly. This can and is a very
vulnerable place to work. We can never be glib or lose the quality of deep
gentleness and kindness.
Spiritual growth and spiritual depth seem to me to be necessary qualities of
facilitators that we often do not emphasize enough. We have deep
responsibilities when we facilitate. We must always be aware of these. This
is a very important discussion.
That death has shown itself is not surprising. That we see it so little often
surprises me.
Love to you all, Anni
