Katia
thank you for sharing this
I am a doctor and I believe you
I know it is possible to remember this
all the best
Chris
Dr Chris Millar MBBS (Melb.)
Ballarat Mind-Body Medicine
216 Humffray Street North
Ballarat East VIC 3350
AUSTRALIA
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On 02/08/2013, at 10:19 AM, Katia del Rivero Vargas wrote:
Dear Steve:
I'm no doctor, I'm not scientist, I'm just a survivor of an abortion and from
there I'll share my experience.
My mom got pregnant, we were twins, at eight weeks gestation she decided
practice a curettage.
The doctor did a bad curettage and pulled my brother (we were in separate
placentas) and left me.
For 21 years I had the feeling that deserved horrible things in life, always
lived with a feeling of "being bad".
The birth of my daughter motivated me to seek therapy and in a body therapy
process had a regression and revived the abortion process, without having the
slightest idea about it.
Later I asked my mom if something had happened during my pregnancy and after
telling my experience told me the story.
I can describe the abortion process in detail: sensations, images, sounds,
feelings.
I know that at the doctors eyes this sounds crazy, many have told me it is
not possible.
And I just know that from experience and confirm the information with my mom,
started a peace process had not encountered before.
Today my brother is in a beautiful place in my heart.
After I studied constellations, obviously from my own story, I started
working on the issue...
- With women who have had abortions
- With people who felt that their parents wanted to abort them.
Based on the work of Jakob Schneider of "childish promise", we have been
working in constellations with representatives from 0 years (is what emerges
at the moment of conception, I don't know how to called scientifically) and
it's amazing what we have observed.
In my personal experience and observations in the processes we have done, to
me abortion is a process of consciousness. The new life has aware and
emotions (for me) since the beginning (the very moment of conception). In my
perception, an abortion needs to be put in a good place and honor the life
who was taken for other.
...And... It's only my personal experience.
Katia del Rivero Vargas
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De: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Steve Vinay Gunther
Enviado el: jueves, 01 de agosto de 2013 01:53 a.m.
Para: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [ConstellationTalk] The silent scream
I was just watching a video of Hellinger in Taiwan. He works with a case
where he posits abortions took place, and makes an association with that and
the presenting issue of cancer.
He compares abortion to murder, and cites the work of Bernard Nathanson, who
after performing many thousands of abortions, made a movie using ultrasound
footage of fetuses that were about to be aborted. He 'showed' the fetus
moving away from the instrument and 'screaming'.
Now, I subscribe to the general constellation view of abortion, as a
problematic and difficult dynamic in family systems, and certainly something
that creates subsequent problems.
But I do wonder about his use of this reference. I researched it, and its not
quite as scientifically valid as it is emotionally impactful. It was
critiqued for the manipulation of the film images, and for the authoritative
'scientific' pronouncements and interpretations which are not necessarily
validated by the data.
So for instance, brain neurons do not exist prior to 4 weeks in utero. And
the 'scream' is could also be a common movement that foetuses make, yawning
for instance.
Now, just because they don't have neurons, I believe they still have a rich
experiential life, closely connected of course to the mother's state of
being.
But I don't like it when things are presented as solid science, when they
have a strong interpretive element which speaks with authority not
necessarily rigourous…even if I agree with the conclusions!
Part of the effect is another authority- Hellinger - quotes the original
'authority', and then that continues to become an authoritative 'fact'. I
think that transparency and responsibility are important in such
communications….
I am interested in other peoples' perspectives on this.
Vinay
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