Dear All,
Interesting, I agree with Vinay, and Sadhana
I know at another level that the "scream" is real. In our world, many people
want the "hard science" to prove what is "known".
What I admire about Bert Hellinger is that he just does what he does. He has
no need to defend or explain, he just teaches what he "knows". It is also my
understanding that he is not concerned with other findings and there is not
necessarily disagreement about other findings.
It is good to question an authority on any subject because that is how we
discovered that the world is not flat. What we need to remember is that all
work builds on what was done previously. Without the work that was done
previously, we would not be where we are today.
Even the scientists disagree and find different results.
I am reminded of a documentary I watched of two scientists. One believed in
ESP and the other did not. They had found they had different results for the
same research. So they did an experiment together and what did they find?
They found that the result depended on who was running the experiment. When
the scientist who believed in ESP ran the experiment, there were more
incidences that implied ESP and when it was the scientist who did not believe
in ESP ran the experiment there were less incidences that implied ESP was
unlikely.
Naturally someone who does not believe in the movement of the spirit is
unlikely to participate or have any experiences.
So is it because the facilitator and most of the participants believe in this
work, that something unfolds?
I am interested in your thoughts, in how much we as facilitators and observers
dictate the unfolding of a constellation???
Rosalba
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On 2013-08-01, at 6:17 AM, Kay Needham <familyconstellationinfo@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Vinay..........
A Department of Water Resources representative stops at a Texas ranch and
talks with an old rancher. He tells the rancher, "I need to inspect your
ranch for your water allocation."
The old rancher says, "Okay, but don't go in that field over there."
The Water representative says, "Mister, I have the authority of the Federal
Government with me.. See this card? This card means I am allowed to go
WHEREVER I WISH on any agricultural land. No questions asked or answered.
Have I made myself clear? Do you understand?"
The old rancher nods politely and goes about his chores.
Later, the old rancher hears loud screams and sees the Water Rep running for
his life. And close behind is the rancher's bull. The bull is gaining with
every step.
The Rep is clearly terrified, so the old rancher immediately throws down his
tools, runs to the fence and yells at the top of his lungs.....
"Your card! Show him your card!"
Vinay my perspective is that if you are an authority you don't need any cards
nor do you need to show them. Transparency and responsability is personal and
becomes luminous. The kind of authority that supports growth triggers and
transfers awakening. This is always a luminous and silent affair where the
inner light of the subject clicks on. This authority has an associated joy
and instant recognition in the small beyond facts and conscience itself. It
is however reliant upon receptivity not reactivity. It is a fact that facts
change moment by moment. I think the only authority is to live and enjoy
that.
Kind regards
Sadhana
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From: Steve Vinay Gunther <spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:53 PM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] The silent scream
I was just watching a video of Hellinger in Taiwan. He works with a case
where he posits abortions took place, and makes an association with that and
the presenting issue of cancer.
He compares abortion to murder, and cites the work of Bernard Nathanson, who
after performing many thousands of abortions, made a movie using ultrasound
footage of fetuses that were about to be aborted. He 'showed' the fetus
moving away from the instrument and 'screaming'.
Now, I subscribe to the general constellation view of abortion, as a
problematic and difficult dynamic in family systems, and certainly something
that creates subsequent problems.
But I do wonder about his use of this reference. I researched it, and its not
quite as scientifically valid as it is emotionally impactful. It was
critiqued for the manipulation of the film images, and for the authoritative
'scientific' pronouncements and interpretations which are not necessarily
validated by the data.
So for instance, brain neurons do not exist prior to 4 weeks in utero. And
the 'scream' is could also be a common movement that foetuses make, yawning
for instance.
Now, just because they don't have neurons, I believe they still have a rich
experiential life, closely connected of course to the mother's state of
being.
But I don't like it when things are presented as solid science, when they
have a strong interpretive element which speaks with authority not
necessarily rigourous even if I agree with the conclusions!
Part of the effect is another authority- Hellinger - quotes the original
'authority', and then that continues to become an authoritative 'fact'. I
think that transparency and responsibility are important in such
communications .
I am interested in other peoples' perspectives on this.
Vinay
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