Katia and all,
Thanks for this perspective Katia.
When my mother was pregnant with me she wanted to have an abortion, but they
were not safely available. While I did not have the graphic memories which you
describe, I feel that the experience in the womb and after contributed to a
profound sense of interrupted reaching out in my life and contributed to my
impulse towards a spiritual search.
My girlfriend had an abortion when we were both young. I hold a place in my
heart where that small one sacrificed his life for me. He gave me the time and
energy for self-healing and contributing to the world. The memory of his
sacrifice reminds me of my deepest values.
All the best,
Thomas
On Aug 2, 2013, at 3:58 AM, Katia del Rivero <katia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 02/08/2013, at 10:19 AM, Katia del Rivero Vargas wrote:.
Dear Steve:
I'm no doctor, I'm not scientist, I'm just a survivor of an abortion and
from there I'll share my experience.
My mom got pregnant, we were twins, at eight weeks gestation she decided
practice a curettage.
The doctor did a bad curettage and pulled my brother (we were in separate
placentas) and left me.
For 21 years I had the feeling that deserved horrible things in life,
always lived with a feeling of "being bad".
The birth of my daughter motivated me to seek therapy and in a body
therapy process had a regression and revived the abortion process,
without having the slightest idea about it.
Later I asked my mom if something had happened during my pregnancy and
after telling my experience told me the story.
I can describe the abortion process in detail: sensations, images,
sounds, feelings.
I know that at the doctors eyes this sounds crazy, many have told me it
is not possible.
And I just know that from experience and confirm the information with my
mom, started a peace process had not encountered before.
Today my brother is in a beautiful place in my heart.
After I studied constellations, obviously from my own story, I started
working on the issue...
- With women who have had abortions
- With people who felt that their parents wanted to abort them.
Based on the work of Jakob Schneider of "childish promise", we have been
working in constellations with representatives from 0 years (is what
emerges at the moment of conception, I don't know how to called
scientifically) and it's amazing what we have observed.
In my personal experience and observations in the processes we have done,
to me abortion is a process of consciousness. The new life has aware and
emotions (for me) since the beginning (the very moment of conception). In
my perception, an abortion needs to be put in a good place and honor the
life who was taken for other.
...And... It's only my personal experience.
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Enviado el: jueves, 01 de agosto de 2013 01:53 a.m.
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Asunto: [ConstellationTalk] The silent scream
I was just watching a video of Hellinger in Taiwan. He works with a case
where he posits abortions took place, and makes an association with that
and the presenting issue of cancer.
He compares abortion to murder, and cites the work of Bernard Nathanson,
who after performing many thousands of abortions, made a movie using
ultrasound footage of fetuses that were about to be aborted. He 'showed'
the fetus moving away from the instrument and 'screaming'.
Now, I subscribe to the general constellation view of abortion, as a
problematic and difficult dynamic in family systems, and certainly
something that creates subsequent problems.
But I do wonder about his use of this reference. I researched it, and its
not quite as scientifically valid as it is emotionally impactful. It was
critiqued for the manipulation of the film images, and for the
authoritative 'scientific' pronouncements and interpretations which are
not necessarily validated by the data.
So for instance, brain neurons do not exist prior to 4 weeks in utero.
And the 'scream' is could also be a common movement that foetuses make,
yawning for instance.
Now, just because they don't have neurons, I believe they still have a
rich experiential life, closely connected of course to the mother's state
of being.
But I don't like it when things are presented as solid science, when they
have a strong interpretive element which speaks with authority not
necessarily rigourous…even if I agree with the conclusions!
Part of the effect is another authority- Hellinger - quotes the original
'authority', and then that continues to become an authoritative 'fact'. I
think that transparency and responsibility are important in such
communications….
I am interested in other peoples' perspectives on this.
Vinay
