Perfect! Thank you, Heiki :-)
Best,
Jeffrey
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Folks with some energy healing training don't really use the
'cataleptizing' part of the technique, but the name has still stuck.
The difference is that with the original application the focus is on
representative reactions. With sufficient subtle sensitivity, the channels
in the hand itself give input - a 'reading', if you will.
So that would be another transformation of the technique.
all the best
Heiki
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I saw Cecilio Rogojo use it last year in Zagreb. Very nice movement.
Although, not cataleptic in the technical sense, just a way to include a
representation in a particular and very convenient way.
Reading a bit off of google books from Miracle, Solution and System, it
seems that there is a process where you can induce your hand into an
independent sensing system that can do what reps do in representational
perception. Which makes the whole thing “cataleptic” rather than just a
useful nearby object to hold a representation in the system (like a chair).
Reference: https://books.google.com/books?id=ymckWeputmIC&;
pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=cataleptic+hand&source=bl&ots=
lLdII_47Q1&sig=87vrvjY1ad8KknEf-d7CijZrs4s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=
0ahUKEwi-m6-CweTXAhVWzmMKHVyuAZ4Q6AEIXTAL#v=onepage&q=
cataleptic%20hand&f=false
Always fun to learn new things!
The Rev. Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com
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On Nov 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thx for the correction! ThenI can’t remember then who used it—but it was
very recently, like in the past year.
If I remember I’ll let you all know.
Liz Jelinek, PhD
734-646-4886 <(734)%20646-4886>
On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:16 PM, BARRY KROST barrykrost@xxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Liz,
I don’t recall Berthold using the cataleptic hand in the CT training.
BK
On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Barry, thx a lot. Was is Berthold who used it at the CT training? For the
same purpose I generally use empty chairs.
Liz Jelinek, PhD
734-646-4886 <(734)%20646-4886>
On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, very briefly, it is using the facilitator's hand, eye level, in
place of where a representative would be placed. It is useful in case there
are not enough reps, in individual work, and for testing out a hypothesis.
You can look up lots of references in Insa Sparrer's book 'Miracle,
Solution & System'. I believe the technique was adopted to SySt from
hypnosis, where it signifies something slightly different. From there to
more general work.
all the best
Heiki
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Anngwyn, you beat me to it, I was just going to ask.—Kathy, and all, can
you please describe the cataleptic hand and how and where it is used?
Elena Versalaga, can you describe the cataleptic hand perhaps? (Sorry if
I misspelled your name Elena.) Thanks a lot, Liz
Liz Jelinek, PhD
734-646-4886 <(734)%20646-4886>
On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona,
What is a cataleptic hand ?
Warm Regards,
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.
www.acst-international.com
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org
