Hi all,
This is an interesting thought. However I know that in some indigenous
communities that men are kept right away from childbirth as it is
considered to be women's business.So I guess that may also need to be taken
into account.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM, sue.mca-walkabout
Sue.McA-walkabout@xxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] <
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re gang/disconnect/not sure about cults.
Talking with someone who works in Mental Health Services (Australia)
with indigenous clients who suggested the possibility of following
initiatives acted on in Eskimo communities of birthing in own community so
fathers and families connect and bond with the babies rather than the
removal away from communities into hospitals which are often some distance
away. Is it possible that this disconnect may contribute to gang
development seen in some remote areas? Advances in medicine and consequent
hospitalisation for childbirth coupled with the tyranny of distance may
well be points of disconnect within families. It would be interesting to
see paternal involvement pattern at birth in cult/gang members vs those not
engaged in cults/gangs as well as patterns in people working in remote
situations like stations/ mine work where fathers may be unable to attend
births.
Good wishes
Sue
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From: "Rosabelle White-Rice xochikezalli@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
Date:27/09/2014 7:23 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Like in gangs, sounds like.
Rosabelle Bertha White Aguirre de Rice
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On 26 Sep 2014, at 09:47, Florencia Rodriguez flor.rodriguez.c@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Leslie,
In some groups leaded by a guru I found that members in big number have
physically or emotionally absent fathers. The cult leader fills the void of
the father, giving security to the participants.
Flroencia
2014-09-23 17:51 GMT-06:00 Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Dear Friends,
Do any of you have any experience working with clients who grew up in
cults? I’m curious about your observations about the systemic patterns for
these situations. I shall be doing a constellation with a thirty year old
client who was her parents’ only child, and who grew up in a cult. They
remain in it, and she left some time ago. There are obvious impacts of this
sort of thing, but was wondering whether any of you had noticed any
patterns about where the attraction to joining a cult might come from, so I
can be on the lookout in the family system. Some of the sourcing on the
mother’s side looks pretty suggestive (a family history of molestation) but
there’s no useful info on the father’s side. So, just interested in any
patterns you may have noticed. Thanks so much!
I so appreciate the wide experience of this group.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps, NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
“Trust as a Way of Life…”
www.leslienipps.com
leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
