Fantastic. Very helpful information, Letitia.
Thank you!
Alison
ConstellationArts
Los Angeles
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From: "Letitica Colautti letitica@xxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:54:27
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Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Hi Leslie,
I’m not a seasoned professional in Constellation work but I have done some
training with Maria Dolenc and I use Constellation work one on one in a lot of
my individual psychotherapy client sessions.
I’ve worked with a woman for the last 4 years who suffered an abrupt exit from
a cult O/S. It has been a fascinating unfolding and I’ve noticed some of the
following themes:
· She has a history of severe childhood neglect and wide ranging abuse
mostly stemming from her mother and then outside perpetrators (mostly women)
· She has a history of homelessness
· She has struggled to ‘care’ for herself (eating, sleeping and
wellbeing routines) and relied on her ability to survive (she does the basics
to get by in life- work, shelter etc). Caring for herself exhausts and
overwhelms her and she often searches for someone or something to do the caring.
· She started ‘attaching’ to gangs, family groups, religious
organisations from teens until she was attracted to an O/S religious cult.
· Her need to attach is overwhelmingly powerful , despite her other
need to keep herself disassociated from the emotional element of relationships.
The cults were attractive in that they were often remote, secretive, closed and
mysterious and enabled her to assume an identity different from the one she
grew up in, in that she saw these groups as providing her an avenue to attach
to a unit. When she was growing up she had a moment of realisation at a young
age that the detached care giving which she assumed was normal was not
something other children endured and in fact other kids enjoyed family units.
It was at this point she felt abnormal and wished for the family unit.
· Over and over, her attachment streams from mothers line and towards
mother figures.
I don’t know if any of this is even remotely helpful to you but it has been a
very slow unfolding with this client and her initial programming prevented a
lot of raw truth being exposed initially. I have done quite a few
constellations with her and she responds extremely well to the work- gaining
insight, understanding and shifts in her perception of herself. She is able to
have a far greater therapeutic experience working in the constellation field
than by talk therapy. The change in perspective it provides has been invaluable
so far. Moreover it has been essential for me to sense her state and find
greater empathy as I have worked to find congruence with this woman.
Just a few thoughts from my own personal experience.
Letitia Colautti
Psychotherapist / Hypnotherapist
Sydney
0415 729 262
www.letitiacolautti.com
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Sent: 29 September 2014 16:42
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Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Hi all,
This is an interesting thought. However I know that in some indigenous
communities that men are kept right away from childbirth as it is considered to
be women's business.So I guess that may also need to be taken into account.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM, sue.mca-walkabout
Sue.McA-walkabout@xxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re gang/disconnect/not sure about cults.
Talking with someone who works in Mental Health Services (Australia) with
indigenous clients who suggested the possibility of following initiatives acted
on in Eskimo communities of birthing in own community so fathers and families
connect and bond with the babies rather than the removal away from communities
into hospitals which are often some distance away. Is it possible that this
disconnect may contribute to gang development seen in some remote areas?
Advances in medicine and consequent hospitalisation for childbirth coupled with
the tyranny of distance may well be points of disconnect within families. It
would be interesting to see paternal involvement pattern at birth in cult/gang
members vs those not engaged in cults/gangs as well as patterns in people
working in remote situations like stations/ mine work where fathers may be
unable to attend births.
Good wishes
Sue
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From: "Rosabelle White-Rice xochikezalli@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
Date:27/09/2014 7:23 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Like in gangs, sounds like.
Rosabelle Bertha White Aguirre de Rice
Consteladora bilingüe -- diplomada en Hellinger Sciencia 2010 (CUDEC)
Bilingual Family Constellator -- Diplomate in Hellinger Sciencia 2010
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On 26 Sep 2014, at 09:47, Florencia Rodriguez flor.rodriguez.c@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Leslie,
In some groups leaded by a guru I found that members in big number have
physically or emotionally absent fathers. The cult leader fills the void of the
father, giving security to the participants.
Flroencia
2014-09-23 17:51 GMT-06:00 Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Dear Friends,
Do any of you have any experience working with clients who grew up in cults?
I’m curious about your observations about the systemic patterns for these
situations. I shall be doing a constellation with a thirty year old client who
was her parents’ only child, and who grew up in a cult. They remain in it, and
she left some time ago. There are obvious impacts of this sort of thing, but
was wondering whether any of you had noticed any patterns about where the
attraction to joining a cult might come from, so I can be on the lookout in the
family system. Some of the sourcing on the mother’s side looks pretty
suggestive (a family history of molestation) but there’s no useful info on the
father’s side. So, just interested in any patterns you may have noticed. Thanks
so much!
I so appreciate the wide experience of this group.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps, NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
“Trust as a Way of Life…”
www.leslienipps.com
leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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