Thanks for this Letitia. It makes it clear that attraction to cults is not
only a reaching for Father, but can be for Mother as well. I really
appreciate it.
We did the constellation last night, and it was quite powerful. Thank you
everyone for your support.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps, NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
³Trust as a Way of Life²
www.leslienipps.com
leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Constellation Talk <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Constellation Talk <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:54:27 +1000
To: Constellation Talk <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Hi Leslie,
I¹m not a seasoned professional in Constellation work but I have done some
training with Maria Dolenc and I use Constellation work one on one in a lot
of my individual psychotherapy client sessions.
I¹ve worked with a woman for the last 4 years who suffered an abrupt exit
from a cult O/S. It has been a fascinating unfolding and I¹ve noticed some
of the following themes:
· She has a history of severe childhood neglect and wide ranging
abuse mostly stemming from her mother and then outside perpetrators (mostly
women)
· She has a history of homelessness
· She has struggled to care¹ for herself (eating, sleeping and
wellbeing routines) and relied on her ability to survive (she does the
basics to get by in life- work, shelter etc). Caring for herself exhausts
and overwhelms her and she often searches for someone or something to do the
caring.
· She started attaching¹ to gangs, family groups, religious
organisations from teens until she was attracted to an O/S religious cult.
· Her need to attach is overwhelmingly powerful , despite her other
need to keep herself disassociated from the emotional element of
relationships. The cults were attractive in that they were often remote,
secretive, closed and mysterious and enabled her to assume an identity
different from the one she grew up in, in that she saw these groups as
providing her an avenue to attach to a unit. When she was growing up she had
a moment of realisation at a young age that the detached care giving which
she assumed was normal was not something other children endured and in fact
other kids enjoyed family units. It was at this point she felt abnormal and
wished for the family unit.
· Over and over, her attachment streams from mothers line and
towards mother figures.
I don¹t know if any of this is even remotely helpful to you but it has been
a very slow unfolding with this client and her initial programming prevented
a lot of raw truth being exposed initially. I have done quite a few
constellations with her and she responds extremely well to the work- gaining
insight, understanding and shifts in her perception of herself. She is able
to have a far greater therapeutic experience working in the constellation
field than by talk therapy. The change in perspective it provides has been
invaluable so far. Moreover it has been essential for me to sense her state
and find greater empathy as I have worked to find congruence with this
woman.
Just a few thoughts from my own personal experience.
Letitia Colautti
Psychotherapist / Hypnotherapist
Sydney
0415 729 262
www.letitiacolautti.com
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 29 September 2014 16:42
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Hi all,
This is an interesting thought. However I know that in some indigenous
communities that men are kept right away from childbirth as it is considered
to be women's business.So I guess that may also need to be taken into
account.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM, sue.mca-walkabout
Sue.McA-walkabout@xxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re gang/disconnect/not sure about cults.
Talking with someone who works in Mental Health Services (Australia) with
indigenous clients who suggested the possibility of following initiatives
acted on in Eskimo communities of birthing in own community so fathers and
families connect and bond with the babies rather than the removal away from
communities into hospitals which are often some distance away. Is it
possible that this disconnect may contribute to gang development seen in
some remote areas? Advances in medicine and consequent hospitalisation for
childbirth coupled with the tyranny of distance may well be points of
disconnect within families. It would be interesting to see paternal
involvement pattern at birth in cult/gang members vs those not engaged in
cults/gangs as well as patterns in people working in remote situations like
stations/ mine work where fathers may be unable to attend births.
Good wishes
Sue
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From: "Rosabelle White-Rice xochikezalli@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
Date:27/09/2014 7:23 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Like in gangs, sounds like.
Rosabelle Bertha White Aguirre de Rice
Consteladora bilingüe -- diplomada en Hellinger Sciencia 2010 (CUDEC)
Bilingual Family Constellator -- Diplomate in Hellinger Sciencia 2010
Certified Spanish/English Interpreter
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Lafayette CO and Puebla Mexico
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On 26 Sep 2014, at 09:47, Florencia Rodriguez flor.rodriguez.c@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Leslie,
In some groups leaded by a guru I found that members in big number have
physically or emotionally absent fathers. The cult leader fills the void of
the father, giving security to the participants.
Flroencia
2014-09-23 17:51 GMT-06:00 Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Dear Friends,
Do any of you have any experience working with clients who grew up in cults?
I¹m curious about your observations about the systemic patterns for these
situations. I shall be doing a constellation with a thirty year old client
who was her parents¹ only child, and who grew up in a cult. They remain in
it, and she left some time ago. There are obvious impacts of this sort of
thing, but was wondering whether any of you had noticed any patterns about
where the attraction to joining a cult might come from, so I can be on the
lookout in the family system. Some of the sourcing on the mother¹s side
looks pretty suggestive (a family history of molestation) but there¹s no
useful info on the father¹s side. So, just interested in any patterns you
may have noticed. Thanks so much!
I so appreciate the wide experience of this group.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps, NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
³Trust as a Way of Life²
www.leslienipps.com
leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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