Hi all,
Chris made a good point about local traditional customs. I checked today with
an indigenous friend about the current birthing customs for his community and
he said,
"Traditionally, mid-wives, mothers, and female extended family members assisted
in childbirth. Today, attitudes and mindsets have changed. Today, the father
can assist in the birth of his children if he chooses to. He would not be
present in the delivery room for his grandchildren. Nothing was concrete. If a
man had to assist in childbirth during a traditional era, then he would.”
Context is important. His community is about 40 minutes from a hospital.
I found three good articles related to Sue’s comments about people living in
remote areas, birthing great distances away, fathers not being present, and the
impact on family systems:
Birthing at Home: It Takes a Village:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Birthing+home+takes+village/3888724/story.html
Inuit Midwife delivers in the outback:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Inuit+midwife+delivers+outback/3889440/story.html
The Residential Schools of Medicine:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/residential+schools+medicine/3889424/story.html
Patricia Robertson
Calgary Alberta Canada
patricia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
403-474-0452
www.peacefulpossibilities.ca
On Sep 29, 2014, at 12:42 AM, Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
This is an interesting thought. However I know that in some indigenous
communities that men are kept right away from childbirth as it is considered
to be women's business.So I guess that may also need to be taken into account.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM, sue.mca-walkabout
Sue.McA-walkabout@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re gang/disconnect/not sure about cults.
Talking with someone who works in Mental Health Services (Australia) with
indigenous clients who suggested the possibility of following initiatives
acted on in Eskimo communities of birthing in own community so fathers and
families connect and bond with the babies rather than the removal away from
communities into hospitals which are often some distance away. Is it possible
that this disconnect may contribute to gang development seen in some remote
areas? Advances in medicine and consequent hospitalisation for childbirth
coupled with the tyranny of distance may well be points of disconnect within
families. It would be interesting to see paternal involvement pattern at
birth in cult/gang members vs those not engaged in cults/gangs as well as
patterns in people working in remote situations like stations/ mine work
where fathers may be unable to attend births.
Good wishes
Sue
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From: "Rosabelle White-Rice xochikezalli@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
Date:27/09/2014 7:23 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] cults
Like in gangs, sounds like.
Rosabelle Bertha White Aguirre de Rice
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On 26 Sep 2014, at 09:47, Florencia Rodriguez flor.rodriguez.c@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Leslie,
In some groups leaded by a guru I found that members in big number have
physically or emotionally absent fathers. The cult leader fills the void of
the father, giving security to the participants.
Flroencia
2014-09-23 17:51 GMT-06:00 Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Dear Friends,
Do any of you have any experience working with clients who grew up in cults?
I’m curious about your observations about the systemic patterns for these
situations. I shall be doing a constellation with a thirty year old client
who was her parents’ only child, and who grew up in a cult. They remain in
it, and she left some time ago. There are obvious impacts of this sort of
thing, but was wondering whether any of you had noticed any patterns about
where the attraction to joining a cult might come from, so I can be on the
lookout in the family system. Some of the sourcing on the mother’s side
looks pretty suggestive (a family history of molestation) but there’s no
useful info on the father’s side. So, just interested in any patterns you
may have noticed. Thanks so much!
I so appreciate the wide experience of this group.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps, NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
“Trust as a Way of Life…”
www.leslienipps.com
leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
