[ddots-l] Re: More Mixes for your Monday Morning

  • From: "Bob Reid Info" <info@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:19:52 -0500

Somehow I missed this thread back in December. When I'm Gone is another winner from Chris. The link to the hip hop tune has expired. Anyway, I love the way you get busy and experimental with your mixes. As I probably say too often, so many commercial producers and engineers just get decent levels on the faders, compress everything to death and call it a mix. You have that snappy delay on the vocals, flangy psychedelic guitars and that slide just under the rhythm where it sits nicely. I also love that phased out organ which again is felt more than heard. Listen to the opening bars of The Beach Boys' Good Vibrations and check out what happens to the organ either on purpose or by accident. Finally, I love those snare pops from that Waves plugging. The compression is just enough to make it murky but not so much to wash out the drums. Anyway, I hope that course is still going well and give me a call sometime.

Bob.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <chris_s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jsonar@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:47 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] More Mixes for your Monday Morning


Hi folks.

Here I am with a couple more mixes.

When I'm Gone (folk rock):
http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/od93lb

Notes:
* octave down backing vocals move around spookily, or that was the intended effect anyway.
* Organ way in the background.
* Mandolin delays left/right in time with the song.

I compressed the drums too much, but I like the sounds I got, especially the pop on harder snare hits!


Pour It(Hip Hop):
http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/8ld0uw

I ran out of time doing all the vocal edits. The track that just goes "hey hey hey" is a bit out of time for sure!

Since we aren't dealing with humans playing real drums and other instruments here, I got more creative.

The song seems to be about wasting perfectly good champagne by pouring on the floor. So, I filtered the cymbals to add more "fizziness".

Also, I tried to filter the breathing sounds in the background as if they were more like fluid being poured in and out of a container. This one didn't work so well but i left it in.

The 808-Conga popping in the middle was already sounding a couple notes in the song's key of D major, if rap songs can have a key that is. So, I added a short delay to make it resonate at 2nd octave D natural as well.

I hard-panned the hand claps, fattened them up, and added some quiet quarter note rhythmic delays. There's also something neat going on with the verse vocals, way way in the background.

I didn't Autotune anything. the one track with that robotic effect is how we received it - but it was just a single mono track, so I added some stereo effects and doubling.

About pitch correction:
I haven't investigated V-Vocal yet. How good is it compared to Melodyne and Autotune? In the case of Autotune, I see that Phil has graciously developed HSC sets for Autotune 5. Is it possible to still buy that version?

and is Melodyne accessible at all?

Chris

P.S. In my mixing class, people are pitch-correcting individual phrases or even halves of phrases, by hand. That is, they aren't using automatic mode, but specifying how much they want things corrected, and how much of the original vibrato to retain. Can we get as specific as that with any of the plug-ins? The speed people can do this with the mouse is scary, not to mention moving bits of phrases or drum beats around in time.

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