[duxuser] Re: Question about Word and Computer Braille
- From: "William Jolley" <wjolley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:46:45 +1000
Hi George
Thanks for your prompt and helpful reply.
Certainly not all of the email addresses and Web references in my attachment
were in Courier, that was part of my test. I also realise that my installed
version of Swift is not the latest, so now I know that there is an option to
do the conversion of these things from the default format to Courier. I
shall install the new version, according to your instructions. later.
I understand about the leading dots 46 when the email address or Web
reference was not in Courier; but when it was in Courier?
I understand about the circulation delay of my message because of the
attachment - that's why I sent you a copy of the message separately. I
agree with the list manager taking care when messages with attachments
arrive, because sometimes they can indeed be hazardous.
Now about the bullets. I agree that DBT cannot happily deal with thousands
of possibilities, but I would have thought that DBT could recognise some
graphics that were commonly used. As far as I know I am just using the
MS-Word default, not some esserteric invention of my own. Indeed, the
problem would be solved (from my perspective) if DBT simply used 99 rather
than *99 to indicate an unknown character.
Now about comp-in-line and comp-display. In the print document the Web
reference was on a new line in some instances. In such cases for the
Braille I would simply want the Braille to start on a new line, not with a
blank line intervening, and with the computer Braille delimiters. Perhaps
this is a case of writing a specific style myself. A problem is that the
American computer code was issued in 1987, when email addresses were scarce
outside the academic and research communities,
and when Web addresses didn't exist - unless they were by that time an
embryonic figment of the imagination of Tim Berners Lee. This is a problem:
we cannot expect DBT to extend coding barriers, but nonetheless email
addresses and Web references occur very frequently in documents such as
papers and reports.
Thanks again for your help.
With best wishes
Cheers
Bill
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William Jolley
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613 9807 5137
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----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Question about Word and Computer Braille
> Hi William,
>
> Sorry for the delay in seeing your message being posted. Because it had
> an attachment, one of the moderators (me) had to approve it first. I've
> left it attached as it could be an excellent exercise for anyone wanting
> to do similar.
>
> The first observation I have to make is that not all your e-mail
> addresses were in Courier or Courier New. In fact only 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
> and 10 were Courier New. Since the remainder were simply underlined
> Times New Roman, the appearance of dots 4,6 is correct.
>
> There is then the issue of addresses being either in-line or within
> text, so to speak; or on a line of their own. Hence the "compinline"
> Style is applied to those within text, and the "compdisplay." Style
> where they are on a line of their own. This is correct according to
> BANA and BAUK.
>
> The strange numbering is rather odd. In some cases, it appears that
> some numbers have been emboldened. I'd need to look at the Word file in
> much more detail to establish what the problem is, but for example "13"
> appears to be a bold 1, and a normal 3.
>
> Bullet points are a hairy issue, since just about any of 40,000 odd
> characters can be used for a bullet.
>
> What is actually being generated in your case here is an o grave
> character in the ANSI character set, which DBT translates to ch in in.
>
> I believe this will change in 10.5, though I'm not entirely sure how the
> logic is to be applied. BAUK are making some proposals at the moment,
> which has put this issue up in the air somewhat.
>
> As regards SWIFT, if you have DBT 10.4, you should find a file called
> DBT2.DOT in the c:\duxbury folder. If you copy that file to your Word
> or Office startup folder, you will find the utility in Word next time
> you go into Word. It will be an extra menu item called DBT or Duxbury.
>
> Hope this starts to get you back on track, but let me know if you
> encounter any more problems.
>
> George Bell
> Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Jolley [mailto:wjolley@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 15 May 2003 08:18
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: William Jolley
> >
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > This is mainly a question for George. Actually, there are
> > two questions.
> >
> > On Thursday May 15, George Bell wrote:
> > If you make the web address Courier, you can then ensure that
> > prior to Import, you make sure that in DBT, under Global,
> > Word Importer, you check "Courier to CBC".
> > ...
> > If you have SWIFT, there is an option there for dealing with
> > Hyperlinks.
> >
> > George, this didn't work for me. I also cannot find
> > reference to the Swift option.
> >
> > I made a simple file with Times New Roman as the default
> > font. I changed the email addresses and Web reference to
> > Courier New. I got computer Braille, but I got a starting
> > dots 46, like an italic sign or underline before the first
> > letter. I didn't consistently get the open and close
> > two-cell signs, depending whether the Word document took a
> > new line. With the Web reference I got a blank line before
> > it and no computer code introduction sign. I did get the
> > continuation symbol. I'm confused what to do to get the
> > email addresses and Web references to come out correctly from
> > an imported word file, with a minimum of manual intervention.
> >
> > The Test File I used is attached, if the attachment gets
> > through. There were also some other anomalies with this
> > file, such as the list. It's also possible that some styles
> > are slightly out of place. The numbering in the Braille
> > seemed a bit strange.
> >
> > I am using Windows XP-Pro, Word 2000, DBT 10.4 and JFW 4.51.
> > I'm using the English Australian table - largely British
> > contraction rules with the American computer code. I also
> > tried, through Swift, to use the Standard template with
> > American table. No improvement!
> >
> > Hopefully, there is something simple which I am doing wrongly.
> > Alternatively, I hope that the treatment of email addresses
> > and Web references in Word can be cleaned up in DBT 10.5.
> >
> > I want to crack this problem of automating email addresses
> > and Web references. I soon have a document to deal with, one
> > I wrote myself, that has to go into Braile. It is written
> > with styles, so in theory everything should be okay; but it
> > contains almost 200 Web references, all of which are
> > currently in the default Times New Roman font as active
> > links. I simply want to avoid manual intervention on each
> > one, when getting its translation correct in Braille. Many
> > Web references start on a new line in the print, but I don't
> > want a blank line preceeding them in the Braille.
> >
> > Now I have a second matter to raise. I cannot understand why
> > DBT does not recognise the commonplace bullets used by word.
> > Is this because Braille doesn't have the requisite symbols to
> > represent bullets? Can DBT be made to simply use 99 rather
> > than *99 to represent bullets?
> >
> > all help is appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > * * *
> > William Jolley
> > wjolley@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > 613 9807 5137
> > * * *
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:19 AM
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Question about Word and Computer Braille
> >
> >
> > > Hi Deb,
> > >
> > > If you make the web address Courier, you can then ensure
> > that prior to
> > > Import, you make sure that in DBT, under Global, Word Importer, you
> > > check "Courier to CBC".
> > >
> > > However be warned. Nothing else in the Word document
> > should be Courier.
> > >
> > > If you have SWIFT, there is an option there for dealing
> > with Hyperlinks.
> > >
> > > George.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Deborah Barnes [mailto:dbarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 14 May 2003 19:50
> > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Hi everybody,
> > > >
> > > > Usually I do all my editing from Duxbury but I'm in a
> > position where
> > > > I can't access my Duxbury from Word right now so I have
> > to make my
> > > > changes in Word.
> > > > So my question is this:
> > > >
> > > > When I'm in Word can I do something to a hyperlink or Web
> > address so
> > > > that when I take the document to Duxbury it will
> > translate into CBC
> > > > when it's embossed?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Deb B.
> > > >
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