So let me be a little more clear what I like because it really doesn’t make
sense if you don’t know my point of reference. Thanks for pointing out yours
that makes a great deal of sense.
I like old click mechanical type keyboards with a lot of throw on the
keys. A great example of a keyboard I love is the old IBM terminal keyboards
where each individual key clicked and had a great spring action. They were
also replaceable individual keys.
I learned to type on a mechanical typewriter oddly enough. I remember
not liking it at the time when I was very young but boy do I appreciate it
today.
The keyboard I’m typing on now is a 2016 MacBook Pro 15 inch and the
keys have a very good spring feel to them. I’m not sure if it’s butterfly but
there was a change around 2017 that in my opinion made the keyboard the worst
in the market. I think I have my facts right but Apple in the more recent
designs (2020 etc) went back to the magic keyboard type keys. I’m ok with that
I think, I’ll let you know when my MacBook Pro arrives. Taking Apple for ever
to fill my order and it seems orders are backed up across the product lines
because my phones and watches are backordered as well.
On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Dane Tretho
wan <grtdane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Okay I’ll add my 10 cents worth here as the keyboards of MacBook Pro machines
is an interesting subject.
I had a 2015 MacBook Pro with the Butterfly keyboard I believe Scott is
talking about here.
I didn’t like it much no but I certainly wouldn’t class the keyboard as being
the worst I had every used.
The feel to me was okay and I wonder whether that had anything to do with
coming up the ranks the hard way, by that I mean learning to manually type on
them old manual typewriters back in the 70s so I got used to using a whole
heap of keyboards over the years.
The big problem with the keyboard on the 2015 MacBook Pro was that the keys
on my Pro at least would stick, not permanently stick but stick for 1 or 2
seconds.
I now have a 2019 MacBook Pro which I bought for a heavily discounted price
and the machine does indeed have a Butterfly keyboard however it has been
heavily modified on the original design, you can tell that by typing on it.
Apple say that the new keyboard uses nylon bearings and I can well believe
it, the typing action is smooth and the sticking behaviour I described
earlier just doesn’t exist so I wonder whether Apple can replace those older
keyboards in the older models with the redesigned type.
Don’t get me wrong, the Apple Magic keyboard is amongst the best keyboards
out there to type on but I do think some of the claims regarding the older
Butterfly keyboards are grocery exaggerated sometimes, as is the case with
many Claims made about Apple <smile>.
On 24 Nov 2020, at 11:24 pm, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi, I can add to this. They are accessible but I don’t like them and many
sited and blind alike don’t. That being said though it is accessible. You
can either touch approximately where the control is you want or you can
swipe back and forth and then double tap.
What I do is I use a separate Magic Keyboard which has all the physical
keys. As many may or may not know the MacBook I think 2017 and on have
horrible keyboards. They feel like you’re typing on mushy peas. This has
been addressed I’m told with recent models, I'm’ excited to try the newer
keyboard which is basically a magic keyboard on the brand new M1 MacBook
Pro. I have a 2017 MacBook Pro and the keyboard is the worst I’ve ever
used, apple should be ashamed. My favorite today is my 2016 MacBook Pro 15
inch model but I’m hopeful the new model compares. I would not be concerned
about using the Touch Bar if you have to it’s totally doable just in my
opinion not the most enjoyable user experience but others may disagree.
Thanks
On Nov 24, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Shawn Krasniuk (Redacted sender "bbsshawn"
for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Manoj. Welcome to the Mac. Essencially what a touch bar MacBook Pro is
is instead of having function keys, they're replaced by an iphone/ipad like
touch bar. I don't have one but apparently they are accessible for the
blind.
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:15 PM, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So what is a touch bar mac and how accessible is it for the blind?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:35 PM John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If it’s a Touch Bar Mac, you will need to hold down the command key and
press the power button 3 times. If it doesn’t have a Touch Bar or you get
an external keyboard, then Command-F5 will work.
Take Care
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi John,
Thank you so much for your help. Just a curious question, you said
depending on the laptop. So I am getting a macbook pro with 8 GB Ram and
512 GB storage. So will I be able to activate voiceover using command f5
or will need to hold down the command key and press the power button at
the top right corner 3 times quickly as you suggested?
Manoj
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:00 PM John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Manoj,
Welcome to the list. I hope you find it helpful for you.
You will need to power on the laptop by pressing the power button
the first time. Then, you should here a recorded voice that gives you
the option to turn on VoiceOver for the setup process. Depending on what
kind of Laptop you have, you will either press command-Function key 5 or
you will hold the command key down and press the SIRI button at the top
right corner of the keyboard, which is also the power button, three
quick times to activate SIRI. You will have speech throughout the entire
setup process.
and Be sure to navigate and listen to all screens. Holding down control
and option keys with the right or left arrow will enable you to navigate
the screens, and pressing control-option-spacebar will active the, Next,
or, Continue, buttons on any screen.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@xxxxxxxxx
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