I should have held onto Windows 7 myself. I am now kind of wishing I
had, but I am now committed and I have to deal with it. To update my
situation, I now have Open Book 9 up and running and have scanned a few
additional pages in the book I was working on. After proofreading each
page I had to go back into the settings to adjust something else, but I
think I have it about the way I wanted it again. The menu voice I am
using might stand to have its volume turned down just a bit, but that is
easily done. I notice that the bottom margin on each page I am scanning
is virtually nonexistent, but I can find nothing in the settings about
it, only the right and left margins. For right now I am just pressing
enter a couple of times at the end of the last line so that I can arrow
upward to the last page without a barrage of words there to confuse me.
But after having been out of the volunteering business since last Friday
I seem to be back in business again. I am still getting used to and
learning my way around Windows 10, but I am making progress. One thing
that helped me make progress earlier today was this. I was in my JAWS
settings to restore a setting that seemed to have come undone when I had
to download and install it again when I noticed something else. I now
forget what it was called, but the description said that it should be
checked when JAWS was not reading the start menu in Windows 10. I
checked it and now I can read the start menu. I think I prefer the
Windows 7 start menu. This one is entirely too long and is full of stuff
that I rarely use. It appears that instead of giving a button to click
that gives more applications they put everything right there on the
start menu. Oh well, I can live with it. I have found something about
the Edge browser that I don't like at all. I can't navigate by links by
pressing the U and V keys. I have gotten really used to that and
frequently navigate around pages using that feature. For that reason I
have made Chrome my default browser now. There are a lot of things I
don't like about that either, but at least I can navigate by links. I
can still type in Internet Explorer into the search field an use that,
but it is becoming clear that it has to be abandoned. It hasn't been
updated for several years now and the things it no longer can do are
just accumulating.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind
and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the
fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/25/2019 10:47 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Thanks for the info about the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 10.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
Since Microsoft is going to keep supporting Microsoft Security Essentials after January 14, (for one year I believe), I will just hang on to Win7 until I get a new PC, probably some time next Summer or Fall, unless this excellent laptop starts giving me trouble before then.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:33 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Larry Lumpkin
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Windows 10 Nightmare
I cleared up the mess. The reason I was so reluctant to reinstall Open
Book again was that it took so long the last time. But I thought more
about it and decided that deleting one file at a time from my documents
folder was going to be incredibly time consuming too. So I just went
ahead and reinstalled it. I uninstalled it first and that cleaned up my
documents folder. Then I put the disk into the computer again and
reinstalled. This time it was quick and easy. I have no idea why it took
an hour and a half to copy to my computer yesterday. This time it didn't
consume much time at all. I did create a subfolder with the install
utility and put it in my documents folder. The folder has a funny name
that I didn't intend to give it, but that's okay. I know which one it is
and I will be opening it from the desktop anyway. I can see that with
this Windows 10 I will be using the desktop much more than I have in the
past. The start menu just is not much to my liking. I do still need to
open it up and adjust the settings though. I don't exactly like the
prospect of doing that job. I got the settings just the way I wanted
them about five years ago and haven't touched them since. By now I will
have to learn all over how to do it. I will also have to get the book I
was scanning back into it so that I can continue with it. If I had known
that switching to Windows 10 was going to be this much trouble I would
have just kept Windows 7. For those of you who still use Windows 7 I
will assure you that the difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 is
much greater than the difference between Windows XP and Windows 7.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/24/2019 1:49 AM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
Roger, I suggest this. When they're open, call Jaws technical support and explain your problem and your situation to them and see if they can tandem to your machine and clean up or possibly re-install open book for you. You do have a real mess though. The only thing you needed to change in the openbook install was to specify where you wished your document files to be stored.is
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:32 PM
To: bksvol-discuss <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Windows 10 Nightmare
I thought I would leave an update on my struggles with getting used to Windows 10 and ask another question. First, I solved that problem about an accessibility driver not being installed properly in JAWS. I called technical support today and was advised to remove JAWS 2020 from my computer and reinstall it. That worked, but it was really time consuming. My download kept hanging and I had to start over several times. Then I tried to reinstall Open Book 9. That was easy enough, but it was really time consuming too. It has been about five years since I installed it the last time, but I sure don't remember it taking nearly an hour and a half to copy the files from the disk to my computer. I did what I was advised to do on this list. I saved it to my documents folder. The good news is that it now shows on my desktop and I clicked through to it and it appears to be ready for scanning even though all my folders are empty and I have none of my previous scans or anything else in it, but it
not ready for the scanning I want to do. That is, I will have to consume even more time getting all of my settings just right and it has been so long since I got them just right the last time that I will have to learn all over how to do it. So I am not quite ready to resume scanning the book I was on. I made a big mistake, though, in saving it to my documents folder. I had to click the custom install button to save it there and when I was about to do so I came across a link for creating a new folder. Somehow right then it was in my mind that that was not necessary and I just skipped it. Bad mistake! My documents folder is now so full of Open Book components that I can't find my documents. Since my documents have to be buried in there somewhere I don't want to go willy-nilly deleting them and risk deleting something I want to keep. Besides, I don't want to have to go through that long wait while the files copy again. I have been thinking about what to do and I have come to thinktha
t this is the best solution. That is, I could copy the contents of the whole folder all at once and create a mew subfolder to paste it in. Then I could, at my leisure, delete one file at a time deleting all the Open book files from the main documents folder and all the document files from the Open Book subfolder. So here is my first question. Is that advisable or can you think of a better way. Advisable or not, I can't do it right now anyway. I am a self taught computer user and while teaching myself when I found a way to do something I have tended to stick with that way. One of the ways I have learned many things is to press the alt key and then explore the menus.
That means that, as long as I have been at it, I most often press the alt key for the menus whenever I want to do something and unlike other people I have not memorized a lot of those combinations of key strokes that would make it quicker like I think most of you do. So when I have wanted to create a new folder I have always selected the file I want to put in it, go to the menu and find either the move or copy menu items and follow the prompts including the prompt about creating a new folder.
Well, with Windows 10 I don't seem to be able to do that. I press the alt key and if I arrow down I get a list of things that have nothing to do with what I want to do and at some certain point down the list it seems to turn into a list of file folders in various places in my computer. If I arrow up I quickly find myself in ribbons. I have never learned to use ribbons and they just confuse me. I can't figure out how to navigate in them for one thing. I don't even understand what they are for. The old way seemed to be better to me. So here is my second question. Providing that it is advisable to do what I have described how do I create a new folder or subfolder in Windows 10?
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