Roger, and everyone,
I surely agree with the Windows 10 Nightmare subject line.
Mike and I purchased new computers to accommodate Windows 10. They were
configured Monday with JAWS and in many ways I am really lost.
Relating to Bookshare, Word is in "protected mode" and I can't find how to
change that.
Until I can, I don't know if control+D works like it used to for changing
fonts, etc.
So can anyone tell me how to get Word out of protected mode with Windows 10 and
how to get to programs so I can set hotkeys.
Also, in terms of proofreading for Bookshare is there anything I need to know?
And please wish me good luck.
Lori C.
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 11:47 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Windows 10 Nightmare
I should have held onto Windows 7 myself. I am now kind of wishing I had, but I
am now committed and I have to deal with it. To update my situation, I now have
Open Book 9 up and running and have scanned a few additional pages in the book
I was working on. After proofreading each page I had to go back into the
settings to adjust something else, but I think I have it about the way I wanted
it again. The menu voice I am using might stand to have its volume turned down
just a bit, but that is easily done. I notice that the bottom margin on each
page I am scanning is virtually nonexistent, but I can find nothing in the
settings about it, only the right and left margins. For right now I am just
pressing enter a couple of times at the end of the last line so that I can
arrow upward to the last page without a barrage of words there to confuse me.
But after having been out of the volunteering business since last Friday I seem
to be back in business again. I am still getting used to and learning my way
around Windows 10, but I am making progress. One thing that helped me make
progress earlier today was this. I was in my JAWS settings to restore a setting
that seemed to have come undone when I had to download and install it again
when I noticed something else. I now forget what it was called, but the
description said that it should be checked when JAWS was not reading the start
menu in Windows 10. I checked it and now I can read the start menu. I think I
prefer the Windows 7 start menu. This one is entirely too long and is full of
stuff that I rarely use. It appears that instead of giving a button to click
that gives more applications they put everything right there on the start menu.
Oh well, I can live with it. I have found something about the Edge browser that
I don't like at all. I can't navigate by links by pressing the U and V keys. I
have gotten really used to that and frequently navigate around pages using that
feature. For that reason I have made Chrome my default browser now. There are a
lot of things I don't like about that either, but at least I can navigate by
links. I can still type in Internet Explorer into the search field an use that,
but it is becoming clear that it has to be abandoned. It hasn't been updated
for several years now and the things it no longer can do are just accumulating.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind
and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the
fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/25/2019 10:47 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Thanks for the info about the differences between Windows 7 andTo unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
Windows 10.
Since Microsoft is going to keep supporting Microsoft Security
Essentials after January 14, (for one year I believe), I will just
hang on to Win7 until I get a new PC, probably some time next Summer
or Fall, unless this excellent laptop starts giving me trouble before
then.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender
"rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:33 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Larry Lumpkin
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Windows 10 Nightmare
I cleared up the mess. The reason I was so reluctant to reinstall Open
Book again was that it took so long the last time. But I thought more
about it and decided that deleting one file at a time from my
documents folder was going to be incredibly time consuming too. So I
just went ahead and reinstalled it. I uninstalled it first and that
cleaned up my documents folder. Then I put the disk into the computer
again and reinstalled. This time it was quick and easy. I have no idea
why it took an hour and a half to copy to my computer yesterday. This
time it didn't consume much time at all. I did create a subfolder with
the install utility and put it in my documents folder. The folder has
a funny name that I didn't intend to give it, but that's okay. I know
which one it is and I will be opening it from the desktop anyway. I
can see that with this Windows 10 I will be using the desktop much
more than I have in the past. The start menu just is not much to my
liking. I do still need to open it up and adjust the settings though.
I don't exactly like the prospect of doing that job. I got the
settings just the way I wanted them about five years ago and haven't
touched them since. By now I will have to learn all over how to do it.
I will also have to get the book I was scanning back into it so that I
can continue with it. If I had known that switching to Windows 10 was
going to be this much trouble I would have just kept Windows 7. For
those of you who still use Windows 7 I will assure you that the
difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 is much greater than the
difference between Windows XP and Windows 7.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an
open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or
somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the
literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings
involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/24/2019 1:49 AM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
Roger, I suggest this. When they're open, call Jaws technical supportis
and explain your problem and your situation to them and see if they
can tandem to your machine and clean up or possibly re-install open
book for you. You do have a real mess though. The only thing you
needed to change in the openbook install was to specify where you
wished your document files to be stored.
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:32 PM
To: bksvol-discuss <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Windows 10 Nightmare
I thought I would leave an update on my struggles with getting used
to Windows 10 and ask another question. First, I solved that problem
about an accessibility driver not being installed properly in JAWS. I
called technical support today and was advised to remove JAWS 2020
from my computer and reinstall it. That worked, but it was really
time consuming. My download kept hanging and I had to start over
several times. Then I tried to reinstall Open Book 9. That was easy
enough, but it was really time consuming too. It has been about five
years since I installed it the last time, but I sure don't remember
it taking nearly an hour and a half to copy the files from the disk
to my computer. I did what I was advised to do on this list. I saved
it to my documents folder. The good news is that it now shows on my
desktop and I clicked through to it and it appears to be ready for
scanning even though all my folders are empty and I have none of my
previous scans or anything else in it, but it
not ready for the scanning I want to do. That is, I will have totha
consume even more time getting all of my settings just right and it
has been so long since I got them just right the last time that I
will have to learn all over how to do it. So I am not quite ready to
resume scanning the book I was on. I made a big mistake, though, in
saving it to my documents folder. I had to click the custom install
button to save it there and when I was about to do so I came across a
link for creating a new folder. Somehow right then it was in my mind
that that was not necessary and I just skipped it. Bad mistake! My
documents folder is now so full of Open Book components that I can't
find my documents. Since my documents have to be buried in there
somewhere I don't want to go willy-nilly deleting them and risk
deleting something I want to keep. Besides, I don't want to have to
go through that long wait while the files copy again. I have been
thinking about what to do and I have come to think
t this is the best solution. That is, I could copy the contents of
the whole folder all at once and create a mew subfolder to paste it
in. Then I could, at my leisure, delete one file at a time deleting
all the Open book files from the main documents folder and all the
document files from the Open Book subfolder. So here is my first
question. Is that advisable or can you think of a better way.
Advisable or not, I can't do it right now anyway. I am a self taught
computer user and while teaching myself when I found a way to do
something I have tended to stick with that way. One of the ways I
have learned many things is to press the alt key and then explore the
menus.
That means that, as long as I have been at it, I most often press the
alt key for the menus whenever I want to do something and unlike
other people I have not memorized a lot of those combinations of key
strokes that would make it quicker like I think most of you do. So
when I have wanted to create a new folder I have always selected the
file I want to put in it, go to the menu and find either the move or
copy menu items and follow the prompts including the prompt about
creating a new folder.
Well, with Windows 10 I don't seem to be able to do that. I press the
alt key and if I arrow down I get a list of things that have nothing
to do with what I want to do and at some certain point down the list
it seems to turn into a list of file folders in various places in my
computer. If I arrow up I quickly find myself in ribbons. I have
never learned to use ribbons and they just confuse me. I can't figure
out how to navigate in them for one thing. I don't even understand
what they are for. The old way seemed to be better to me. So here is
my second question. Providing that it is advisable to do what I have
described how do I create a new folder or subfolder in Windows 10?
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