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Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:53 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Windows 10 Nightmare
I have rarely used my desktop. I have always used my start menu for everything
that I might have used my desktop for. But I was aware of that method of
shutting down anyway and I tried it. At least I tried to try it. When I try the
windows key plus the M key I just hear the word start. I cannot arrow away from
it and when I press enter everything seems to freeze up. Every key stroke or
combination of key strokes I try just give me silence and that is when I press
the power button. However, I did either find the desktop or at least I thought
I did. After pressing that Windows key that should take me to the start menu,
but only takes me to a search box I typed in the words desk top. What I get is
a little confusing because it includes web search results. But one of the items
that was listed was labeled just desk top and I pressed enter over that. I got
a list of programs and files just like I would on the desk top, but it is much
fewer than I got with Windows 7. I suppose that is either a reflection of just
how much I lost in switching over or else I didn't really get the desk top. But
I tried the alt+f4 combination and it didn't work.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind
and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the
fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/21/2019 1:56 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
Hmmm, I never shut down my computer that way.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
On my Windows 7 laptop, I go to the Desktop with Windows key and m,
then hit alt-f4. Then the list of options comes up with shutdown at
the bottom.
I don't know whether that will work in Windows 10, but it might be
worth a try.
Evan
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender
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Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 1:43 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Windows 10 Nightmare
By the way, related to this matter, I can't find a shut down button
for my computer now. With Windows 7 I would press the Windows key and
go to the start menu. I would then arrow once to the right and there
was the shut down button or I could arrow twice to the right and then
arrow down four times for the restart button. Despite the fact that
Windows 10 was advertised as having an even better start menu than
Windows 7 I can't find a start menu at all. I press the windows key
and all I find is a search box and I have to type in the name of an
app to find it. Arrowing from that search box does nothing. So I have
been using the power switch to turn the computer on and off, but I
understand that is bad for the computer.
___
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an
open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or
somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the
literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings
involved?”
― Carl Sagan
On 12/21/2019 11:20 AM, Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender
rogerbailey81 for DMARC) wrote:
Yesterday I overcame my procrastination and I am now wishing that ITo unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
hadn't. I remember that when I was using Windows XP I kept putting
off upgrading because of trepidation about learning a new operating
system. Then in 2014 my computer went kaput and I had to upgrade to
Windows 7. It was not as bad as I expected and I learned my way
around Windows 7 pretty quickly. But despite that experience I have
been putting off upgrading to Windows 10 for the same reasons. Well,
Windows 7 becomes obsolete on January 14, so yesterday I prepared
myself for a hassle and downloaded Windows 10. I won't describe all
the hassle that was involved, but it was a big hassle, indeed. It
also turns out that it is a lot more different from Windows 7 than
Windows 7 was different from Windows XP, so I have a lot of learning
to do. But let me concentrate on the problems I am having related to
Bookshare volunteering. When I was installing Windows 10 the dialog
informed me that there were two apps on my computer that were not
compatible with Windows 10 and I would have to uninstall them before
I could proceed. One was JAWS 15. Fine, I don't use that anymore
anyway. So I went ahead and uninstalled it. However, The other caused
me a good bit of consternation. It was Open Book 9. That is my main
number one tool for scanning books for Bookshare and also for reading
my snail mail. But I couldn't otherwise continue, so I saved the book
I am currently working on to my documents and went ahead and
uninstalled it. I was on page 207 of a 357 page book. Because of that
and another problem with JAWS that cropped up after the installation
I was going to call Freedom Scientific technical support today and
ask them about it, but I forgot that they are not available on
weekends and I will have to wait until Monday. Not only do I now not
have Open Book installed, but as far as I can tell I have also lost
the book that I saved and every other document in my documents
folder. I say as far as I can tell because I thought I had also lost
all of my bookmarks, but somehow I did manage to restore those this
morning. I have a bunch of documents that I really did not want to
lose, but relating to Bookshare I appear to have lost three books
that are either being proofread or are on the checkout list and the
book I was currently working on. As for the books I have finished,
well, if a proofreader has a problem with one then, at least as of
right now, I don't have a copy to check for them. As for the one I
was currently working on, I really hate to have done 207 pages worth
of meticulous work on it only to lose it entirely or not to be able
to proceed on it. Frankly, if Open Book is incompatible with Windows
10 I would have expected that by now it would have been mentioned on
this list, so I was not expecting that at all. The obvious solution
is to switch to Kurzweil, but there is a reason that I have not done
so already. It is really expensive and even with the discount for
having Open Book it is still expensive. But what I am asking for now
is for any comments or advice that any of you may have. As
frustrating as it can be I rather enjoy volunteering for Bookshare
and I would hate to give it up, but for right now I am at something
of an impasse.
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