[ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
- From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:41:44 -0400
Well for one thing, if accessibility wasn't such an issue for us, i'd
definitely be using a lot more virtual stuff over hardware. For another thing,
I record middle eastern music, and most of these virtual synths don't have
quarter-tone capability the way an external synth does. The vsts or virtual
samplers that do have quarter tones aren't accessible with jaws. So that's the
other issue for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
One day, the instruments on these VST softsynths will be what we really want
to here, not just teasing hints of what's possible.
I'm with you all the way, I want to buy the car with high performance and
I'll show you how I can drive.
I don't want to know how to build one.
Talking about Cars, no one will trust me with there's, I can't think why? ha
ha
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Omar wrote,
*(Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. You rated the vsts above the motif, but doesn't
the fact that you had to put plugins and fx on the vsts sort of contradict the
title of this post "Straight from the factory?" The initial argument was that
coming straight out the box, hardware sounds better than software. Just a
thought.)
Hi Omar,
You are indeed correct, not one of my VST instruments were straight out
of the box.
The only things I'd like to add in my defence are,
1: the effect pluggins, I used straight from the factory presets, "Stop
laughing, I'm trying to defend myself here."
2: I always used to tweak sounds on the Motif,
The Guitars that Yamaha used to boast about on the Motif are awful, I'd
sometimes use two different sounding guitars mix together to get somewhere
close to the sound I wanted...
You could say that I wasn't using the presets on the Motif straight out
of the box.
I see it a little bit like this, Oven Chips are find for quickness and
they sort of taste like chips, however, peal the potatoes cut them up into chip
shapes and fry them, is always worth the effort.
Hey, Fish and Chips, you now know you're talking to an English Man ha ha.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:28 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. You rated the vsts above the motif, but
doesn't the fact that you had to put plugins and fx on the vsts sort of
contradict the title of this post "Straight from the factory?" The initial
argument was that coming straight out the box, hardware sounds better than
software. Just a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddtots
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
Well, I said I'd report back after using VST's on my live Gig.
It was a lively gig, I have a 2500 watt sound system, and it was
working hard.
Here's how the different softsynths rated against my Yamaha Motif.
1: Bass Guitar.
I used Dimension Pro's Full Fingered bass guitar, I put it through a
few effect pluggins.
This made the bass guitar very punchy and quite warm sounding.
It just needed a little more bass Eq, to make the bass bins work for
there money. I know what EQ pluggin to use to make the necessary changes so,
I give VST bass guitar 7 out of 10,
The Motif Bass guitar I used to use 6 out of 10.
2: Drums.
I used Superior Drummer, I put it through a few effect pluggins. The
snare had Sonitus Compressor Vintage DBX plus Sonitus Gate.
I put a few processors on some of the other drums and the whole Kit
sounded amazing!
I give VST Drums 8 out of 10,
Motif Drums that I used to use 7 out of 10.
3: Strat guitar.
I used Sonivoxmi Strat VST, plus I also used a Strat sample from the
DSF Guitar and bass pack.
I simply combined the two by copying the info from one track to the
other. Sonivoxmi Strat for the realism of the sound and the DSF strat to give
the guitar much more attack and a fuller body.
Once again sending both samples through several effects, one of them
being a Modulator to give the guitar samples a bit of fluidity, I ended up with
a fairly convincing Strat guitar.
I give the VST Strat Guitar 8 out of 10.
The Motif I used to use 4 out of 10.
4: Horns.
I used VST Dimension Pro Tenor Sax, Dimension Pro Auto Sax, Dimension
Pro trumpet Shake and a Trombone from the Proteus 2000 pack.
The trumpet shake from Dimension is quite affective but it's so so
weak sounding, I had to give this some bight and body by having the Trumbone
from the Proteus play the same high notes as the Trumpet Shake.
The Tenor sax is playing in the correct octave as so is the Auto sax.
All Horns sent through many effect pluggins, the whole Horn section
does sound quite convincing.
I give my VST Horns 7 out of 10.
Motif Horns I used to use 5 out of 10.
When I first had Sonar, I really was beginning to believe I'd made a
mistake. I now realise that it was the best move I made, and I'm still only
touching the surface with the possibilities.
Interesting gigs coming up as I'm Playing Piano and helping with
musical arrangements for a Rock 'N' Roll tribute Show.
I've insisted that I use my backing tracks to start the Show and The
band Join me just before the Buddy Holly tribute enters the stage.
Although I've finally got the softsynths to take on the Motif, I
don't think I have the quality of softsynths to stand up against a real live
band.
If any of you from the UK live near Bognor Regis, the Impressions of
the 50's Show is in your town for two nights.
Appearing at the local Theatre on Sunday April 11th , for a Sunday
Matinee Show.
Steve W
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Steve,
I haven't used vsts in live settings, but I know, for recording
purposes, I'm not a believer in most of the orchestral stuff you get with them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts
To: ddtots
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
Well I'm about to find out whether VST's can cut it live.
Tonight is my first gig where I'm just using VST sounds.
I'll soon find out whether they have the same impact as the
Motif, as all my previous tracks were recorded using the Motif.
These VST's have been put through so many processors, I wouldn't
be surprised if they were suffering with a little travel sickness?
Will let you know how I got on.
Steve W
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