[ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
- From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:35:47 +0100
Aah yes. Alternative tunings. Had to tune all kinds of interesting tunings
to a scale when training as a piano tuner. It was fun. Mind you, some of
those tunings really did sound terrible if for example, you played in a key
such as F sharp. Remember hearing a story once from a piano tuning tutor
where they were training someone who insisted in tuning the scale in quarter
tones. Guess that's what the guy was used to doing. However, the tuning
tutor wanted him to tune in equal temperament, LOL!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:12 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
not exactly. The way a scale with quarter tone works is: let's say I play a
g miner scale. The a would be detuned to -50 on the keyboard.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts <mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Wow! writing in quarter tones.
I know completely off topic but I'm really curious, do you used two octaves
to play one quarter tone chromatic scale?
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:41 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Well for one thing, if accessibility wasn't such an issue for us, i'd
definitely be using a lot more virtual stuff over hardware. For another
thing, I record middle eastern music, and most of these virtual synths don't
have quarter-tone capability the way an external synth does. The vsts or
virtual samplers that do have quarter tones aren't accessible with jaws. So
that's the other issue for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts <mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
One day, the instruments on these VST softsynths will be what we really want
to here, not just teasing hints of what's possible.
I'm with you all the way, I want to buy the car with high performance and
I'll show you how I can drive.
I don't want to know how to build one.
Talking about Cars, no one will trust me with there's, I can't think why? ha
ha
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts <mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Omar wrote,
*(Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. You rated the vsts above the motif, but doesn't the
fact that you had to put plugins and fx on the vsts sort of contradict the
title of this post "Straight from the factory?" The initial argument was
that coming straight out the box, hardware sounds better than software. Just
a thought.)
Hi Omar,
You are indeed correct, not one of my VST instruments were straight out of
the box.
The only things I'd like to add in my defence are,
1: the effect pluggins, I used straight from the factory presets, "Stop
laughing, I'm trying to defend myself here."
2: I always used to tweak sounds on the Motif,
The Guitars that Yamaha used to boast about on the Motif are awful, I'd
sometimes use two different sounding guitars mix together to get somewhere
close to the sound I wanted...
You could say that I wasn't using the presets on the Motif straight out of
the box.
I see it a little bit like this, Oven Chips are find for quickness and they
sort of taste like chips, however, peal the potatoes cut them up into chip
shapes and fry them, is always worth the effort.
Hey, Fish and Chips, you now know you're talking to an English Man ha ha.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:28 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Steve,
Thanks for the feedback. You rated the vsts above the motif, but doesn't the
fact that you had to put plugins and fx on the vsts sort of contradict the
title of this post "Straight from the factory?" The initial argument was
that coming straight out the box, hardware sounds better than software. Just
a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wicketts <mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddtots <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
Well, I said I'd report back after using VST's on my live Gig.
It was a lively gig, I have a 2500 watt sound system, and it was working
hard.
Here's how the different softsynths rated against my Yamaha Motif.
1: Bass Guitar.
I used Dimension Pro's Full Fingered bass guitar, I put it through a few
effect pluggins.
This made the bass guitar very punchy and quite warm sounding.
It just needed a little more bass Eq, to make the bass bins work for there
money. I know what EQ pluggin to use to make the necessary changes so,
I give VST bass guitar 7 out of 10,
The Motif Bass guitar I used to use 6 out of 10.
2: Drums.
I used Superior Drummer, I put it through a few effect pluggins. The snare
had Sonitus Compressor Vintage DBX plus Sonitus Gate.
I put a few processors on some of the other drums and the whole Kit sounded
amazing!
I give VST Drums 8 out of 10,
Motif Drums that I used to use 7 out of 10.
3: Strat guitar.
I used Sonivoxmi Strat VST, plus I also used a Strat sample from the DSF
Guitar and bass pack.
I simply combined the two by copying the info from one track to the other.
Sonivoxmi Strat for the realism of the sound and the DSF strat to give the
guitar much more attack and a fuller body.
Once again sending both samples through several effects, one of them being a
Modulator to give the guitar samples a bit of fluidity, I ended up with a
fairly convincing Strat guitar.
I give the VST Strat Guitar 8 out of 10.
The Motif I used to use 4 out of 10.
4: Horns.
I used VST Dimension Pro Tenor Sax, Dimension Pro Auto Sax, Dimension Pro
trumpet Shake and a Trombone from the Proteus 2000 pack.
The trumpet shake from Dimension is quite affective but it's so so weak
sounding, I had to give this some bight and body by having the Trumbone from
the Proteus play the same high notes as the Trumpet Shake.
The Tenor sax is playing in the correct octave as so is the Auto sax.
All Horns sent through many effect pluggins, the whole Horn section does
sound quite convincing.
I give my VST Horns 7 out of 10.
Motif Horns I used to use 5 out of 10.
When I first had Sonar, I really was beginning to believe I'd made a
mistake. I now realise that it was the best move I made, and I'm still only
touching the surface with the possibilities.
Interesting gigs coming up as I'm Playing Piano and helping with musical
arrangements for a Rock 'N' Roll tribute Show.
I've insisted that I use my backing tracks to start the Show and The band
Join me just before the Buddy Holly tribute enters the stage.
Although I've finally got the softsynths to take on the Motif, I don't think
I have the quality of softsynths to stand up against a real live band.
If any of you from the UK live near Bognor Regis, the Impressions of the
50's Show is in your town for two nights.
Appearing at the local Theatre on Sunday April 11th , for a Sunday Matinee
Show.
Steve W
From: Omar Binno <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omar straight from the factory
Hi Steve,
I haven't used vsts in live settings, but I know, for recording purposes,
I'm not a believer in most of the orchestral stuff you get with them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <mailto:steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Wicketts
To: ddtots <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Omar straight from the factory
Hi Omar,
Well I'm about to find out whether VST's can cut it live.
Tonight is my first gig where I'm just using VST sounds.
I'll soon find out whether they have the same impact as the Motif, as all my
previous tracks were recorded using the Motif.
These VST's have been put through so many processors, I wouldn't be
surprised if they were suffering with a little travel sickness?
Will let you know how I got on.
Steve W
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