[ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
- From: "Cameron" <cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:35:04 -0400
Hi. Okay, thanks. I decreased the buffer size in the m audio control panel
to 128 and then to 64, and did the same in sonar. and, no luck. It's the
same as it was before. And, interestingly, the notes that do come out are
held. Like if you are holding down the sustain pedal, which I am not doing.
I tried playing patches from the roland groove synth, dimension pro, and
ivory, and they were equally bad.
No creative hardware has ever been used with this machine. I previously
used the motu 896 MKIII and the presonus firebox and they performed
flawlessly.
When I load projects with multiple soft synths etc, they play back without a
hitch. But, if you actually try to play any of the loaded instruments,
you're lucky if you get two notes. And many notes won't trigger at all.
Any other suggestions?
And as I mentioned before, the machine has a TI firewire chipset and I am
running the project mix directly into it. There is no daisy chaining.
Thanks,
Cameron.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:34 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
First, the reason that you have latency is because your buffer setting on
the ProjectMix is too high. When you install, it defaults to some high
number like 256 or 512, as those are safe to work on any system. Go to the
M-Audio Firewire control panel, go to the hardware tab, and decrease the
latency. If you're using Jaws, you need to be sure that you're set to show
all graphics. Then, with the Jaws cursor, find the line on the hardware tab
that says 256, 384, 512, etc. On the line below that, there is a single
graphic. Left-click it to decrease the number on the line above (the buffer
size). It only goes down to 64. With it that small, you'll need a fast
computer or a thin Sonar project to make it work. I suggest trying 128
first.
The reason why Sonar keeps defaulting back to the internal audio is because
of a corrupted ASIO driver entry in the registry. I'd be willing to bet
that, in the recent past, you had an audio device made by Creative attached
to this computer. Creative's drivers are total crap, and, even when you
uninstall them, they leave your registry full of corrupted entries. Almost
anyone that has ever tried to use an Audigy with Sonar will have run in to
this problem, for example. Not sure what to tell you to do about that. The
last time I saw this on a customer's computer, I had to search the registry
and clean it all out by hand. As I said, their uninstall programs don't
remove all of their junk.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:09 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
Hi. ti firewire, yes, I've done all that... with this machine, I've used
two other firewire interfaces with no trouble. The project mix won't let me
select wdm. It just defaults back to the internal soundcard when you try to
change the driver mode in sonar.
Thanks,
Cameron.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:55 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
So have you tried wdm? Did this always happen on this machine, or did it
just start to happen? If this is a firewire unit, you've been through all
the steps, made sure you have a T.I card, disabled 1394 networking under
control panel>system>hardware>device manager>network adapters etc?
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:04 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
Hi. yes, already set to acio. And yes, if you play a synth on an existing
track, you get the same results.
Thanks,
Cameron.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:47 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
Have you tried switching driver modes from wdm to asio? You say that this
only happens when new synths are inserted? Meaning that if you play synths
from projects that you've already done, even if you manually play those
synths they work? Or do they also exhibit this latency?
D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:04 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
Hi all. sort of going mental over here and need some tips. (win xp pro
sp3, intel I7 quad core, 3gb ram, sonar 8.53 producer.)
Just setup my system the other day with my new m audio project mix, ct for
8.5, the latest version of hsc, and some new rapture and dimension packs I
found etc. I thought I'd get totally up to date.
Well, playback of projects is totally fine. I can load a project with a
dozen instances of soft synths plus audio tracks and it works like a charm.
However, when I insert a soft synth into a new project, say, one instance of
dimension pro or true pianos, there is about a one second delay from when
you hit a key to when you hear the note you played. You can't even play a
scale of quarter notes without it missing three or four, no matter how slow
you play. And fast runs or trills don't get reproduced at all.
I didn't have this issue with the firebox I was just using before I switched
to the project mix. For now I am set to record at 24 bit, 44.1. the
playback and recording buffer sizes are 256. I played with them a bit but
got no better latency.
I am having this problem with stand alone instruments too. Like Synthogy
ivory.
Any tips on what I could do to sort this out?
Also, before anyone asks, yes I am using the external midi, all the ins and
outs are set correctly and the drivers are checked in Sonar, and, I did a
reset on the project mix in control panel.
I've never seen latency this bad on an interface! There must be some setting
I haven't checked...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cameron.
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