[ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

  • From: "Gordon Kent" <dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:58:52 -0400

Are you using the project mix as your midi interface? I seem to remember there being a problem with the project mix's midi out. If you have something else to use as a midi interface, try it. 

GOrd
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron" <cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.



Hi.  well, I'm on the road from today until Friday night so it'll have to
wait.

No, I haven't used another m audio card with this particular machine yet.

Perhaps it is a driver or interface issue because the presonus and motu
interfaces worked fine.

That is a good point about the driver...  I'll hunt around for more user
experiences.

Thanks,

Cameron.




-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:35 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

Hmm not sure then what could be the issue, it seems to be related to the
card and not the system... Maybe BSmart  can help you on that end since I
believe he's got one of these units. Or somebody else who might have 1...
BTW, I guess the last thing to check is driver versions, latest doesn't
always equal best, see if your driver version has caused issues for anybody 
else... That all sounds kind of strange. Have you tried uninstalling and
reinstalling the drivers? Have you had any other m-audio interface on that
same machine/OS session before?

HTH, D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:09 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

Hi.  ti firewire, yes, I've done all that...  with this machine, I've used
two other firewire interfaces with no trouble. The project mix won't let me select wdm. It just defaults back to the internal soundcard when you try to 
change the driver mode in sonar.

Thanks,

Cameron.



-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
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Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:55 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

So have you tried wdm? Did this always happen on this machine, or did it
just start to happen? If this is a firewire unit, you've been through all
the steps, made sure you have a T.I card, disabled 1394 networking under
control panel>system>hardware>device manager>network adapters etc?

HTH, D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:04 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.
Hi. yes, already set to acio. And yes, if you play a synth on an existing 
track, you get the same results.

Thanks,

Cameron.





-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:47 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

Have you tried switching driver modes from wdm to asio? You say that this
only happens when new synths are inserted? Meaning that if you play synths
from projects that you've already done, even if you manually play those
synths they work? Or do they also exhibit this latency?

D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:04 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] sonar 8.53 and project mix latency.

Hi all.  sort of going mental over here and need some tips.  (win xp pro
sp3, intel I7 quad core, 3gb ram, sonar 8.53 producer.)

Just setup my system the other day with my new m audio project mix, ct for
8.5, the latest version of hsc, and some new rapture and dimension packs I
found etc.  I thought I'd get totally up to date.

Well, playback of projects is totally fine.  I can load a project with a
dozen instances of soft synths plus audio tracks and it works like a charm.
However, when I insert a soft synth into a new project, say, one instance of 
dimension pro or true pianos, there is about a one second delay from when
you hit a key to when you hear the note you played.  You can't even play a
scale of quarter notes without it missing three or four, no matter how slow 
you play.  And fast runs or trills don't get reproduced at all.
I didn't have this issue with the firebox I was just using before I switched 
to the project mix.  For now I am set to record at 24 bit, 44.1.  the
playback and recording buffer sizes are 256.  I played with them a bit but
got no better latency.

I am having this problem with stand alone instruments too.  Like Synthogy
ivory.

Any tips on what I could do to sort this out?
Also, before anyone asks, yes I am using the external midi, all the ins and 
outs are set correctly and the drivers are checked in Sonar, and, I did a
reset on the project mix in control panel.
I've never seen latency this bad on an interface! There must be some setting 
I haven't checked...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Cameron.

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