[duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
- From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:21:23 -0000
Hi Ben,
Thanks for passing on that tip. It appears to be a continual problem,
and is generally caused by what is known as the "off screen model" of
the screen reader not being refreshed automatically. I'm sure many of
you will have seen this problem reported in programs like Word for
Windows, where it often maifests itself by saying "blank line" where in
fact text is there.
I'm hoping some of these problems will be resolved very soon after the
screen reader companies finally agree on a common standard of video
interfacing.
Just for the record, we had a case recently where neither screen reader
nor software product was to blame for similar missreading problems. It
turned out to be an extremely obscure problem to do with Microsoft's
Active Accessibility. (MSA) Took some finding, but just goes to show
how difficult some problems are to resolve.
George Bell
Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Blagg [mailto:bblagg@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 04 January 2003 15:34
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
>
>
> I don't know if this will help, I'm using the latest version
> of Duxbury and JFW 4.5. Occasionally when Jaws does not
> speak text that I know is there, I do a screen refresh with
> insert plus escape and that seems to bring the text back.
> Insert plus escape doesn't work on earlier versions of Jaws
> but on the 4 series it does.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Londa Hauser" <lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:52 AM
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
>
>
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > I'm not Ann, but I've also had the same problem. There
> seems to be no
> > rhyme or reason who when it happens. I've had it happen on Windows
> > 95, 98 and 2000. I always set my video cards to 256 colors and my
> > resolution to 800 by 600. Usually, if I press the up
> arrow, I can get
> > the text to read, but this is annoying and makes for a lot
> more work.
> > I hope this helps a little.
> >
> > Londa Hauser, Access Technology Specialist
> > Tri-County Association for the Blind
> > (717) 238-2531
> > lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.tricountyblind.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Maguire [SMTP:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:31 AM
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> >
> > Hi Ann
> >
> > Does this happen in print files, braille files, or both? Does it
> > happen with all versions of Duxbury. I'll try and reproduce the
> > problem on my system, but it would be good if you can give me some
> > details about which version of Windows you are using and what video
> > card/resolution you have.
> >
> > By the way, I'm a braille producer in Australia, and I'm
> also on the
> > Jaws beta testing list so I should be able to at least raise the
> > issues. I haven't had much free time during the past year as I was
> > finishing a university course, but now that that's
> (hopefully) over, I
> > should be able to participate more actively in some of these
> > discussions.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bruce
> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:00 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > >Bruce
> > >Here is my biggest problem with jaws 4 series and duxbury. I'm a
> > >braille
> > transcriber so I read everything line by line. I arrow down to the
> > next line and jaws announces blank. It will happen
> intermittently for
> > 1 or several lines. In reality, there is text there, but jaws does
> > not speak it. I tried refreshing my screen, changing the view in
> > duxbury to full page, all to no avail.
> > >
> > >Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist
> > >Texas Commission for the Blind
> > >4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130
> > >Austin, TX 78756
> > >PH: (512) 377-0654
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Bruce Maguire [mailto:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:17 AM
> > >To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Sylvia
> > >
> > >There have been a number of problems with Jaws and Duxbury
> going back
> > >years. For example, Jaws can't find blank lines in print files
> > >produced by using the Control-M (new paragraph) command, similarly
> > >with blank lines in braille files produced by control-K.
> Perhaps we
> > >need to raise the issues again with both Duxbury and Freedom
> > >Scientific, as I know that there are a growing number of
> people who
> > >are using, or who want to use, Jaws with Duxbury. I'd be happy to
> > >subit a list of compatibility issues to both companies if you are
> > >able to give me some specfics about any problems you have
> with Jaws
> > >4.5 and Duxbury.
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Bruce
> > >On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:39:32 -0800, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>I have noticed that JAWS 4.5 also doesn't work well with even
> > >>Duxbury
> > 10.3
> > >>or
> > >>Microsoft Word. I have reverted back to JAWS 3.5, which
> works better
> > >>for
> > me
> > >>than 3.7 or any of the 4 series with both Duxbury and Microsoft
> > >>Word.
> > JAWS
> > >>4.5 does work best for me on web pages. But, most of what
> I am doing
> > >>is
> > with
> > >>Microsoft Word and Duxbury.
> > >>
> > >>Sylvie Kashdan
> > >>Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
> > >>KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations
> > >>810-A Hiawatha Place South Seattle, WA 98144
> > >>phone: (206) 784-5619
> > >>email: kaizen_esl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Foxworth, Ann" <Ann.Foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:46 AM
> > >>Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Teresa: What version of JAWS are you using? I have noticed that
> > >>ever
> > since
> > >>JAWS put out the 4 series, it has not worked well in
> Duxbury. I've
> > >>experienced the very problem you have seen. I actually had to
> > >>revert
> > back
> > >>to 3.7.
> > >>
> > >>Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist
> > >>Texas Commission for the Blind
> > >>4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130
> > >>Austin, TX 78756
> > >>PH: (512) 377-0654
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Theresa Hodge [mailto:theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:43 AM
> > >>To: Duxbury User Group
> > >>Subject: [duxuser] Duxbury and JAWS
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Hi Everyone
> > >>
> > >>I'm using Duxbury 10.2E and JAWS 4.02. Yesterday I noticed that
> > >>when I
> > was
> > >>editing a file in Duxbury and using Control and the right
> arrow key
> > >>to
> > move
> > >>to the next word, JAWS would often announce the word before. It
> > >>would
> > also
> > >>do the same kind of thing if I moved one character at a time,
> > >>therefore making it very hard to track where I was in a
> > >>word/sentence. Has anyone else come across this problem, and is
> > >>there a way of fixing it?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Theresa Hodge
> > >>Equal Access Consultancy
> > >>PO Box 1
> > >>St Leonards-on-Sea
> > >>East Sussex TN37 6YQ
> > >>Tel/Fax: 01424 421411
> > >>E-mail: theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Theresa Hodge
> > >>theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >>
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