I know that when I'm either finished with Internet explorer or if I'm sending a message or even trying to close everything out, my speech goes completely out. When I do an insert J, it won't come back. Even when I do a control plus alt plus J, it won't come back. I have to turn my computer off for a few seconds and turn it back on again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Blagg" <bblagg@xxxxxxxxx> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > Most experienced JFW users, especially with 4.0 and beyond, are aware that > Jaws doesn't always stay focused and you have to refocus, sometimes with an > alt tab. It seems to be a problem with the screen reader, but really it > isn't a big thing as long as you are aware of the focus issue. It almost > becomes second nature to make sure your focus is where you want it to be. > Thanks George for the further explanation. And, by the way, happy new year. > > Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:21 AM > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > Thanks for passing on that tip. It appears to be a continual problem, > > and is generally caused by what is known as the "off screen model" of > > the screen reader not being refreshed automatically. I'm sure many of > > you will have seen this problem reported in programs like Word for > > Windows, where it often maifests itself by saying "blank line" where in > > fact text is there. > > > > I'm hoping some of these problems will be resolved very soon after the > > screen reader companies finally agree on a common standard of video > > interfacing. > > > > Just for the record, we had a case recently where neither screen reader > > nor software product was to blame for similar misreading problems. It > > turned out to be an extremely obscure problem to do with Microsoft's > > Active Accessibility. (MSA) Took some finding, but just goes to show > > how difficult some problems are to resolve. > > > > George Bell > > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ben Blagg [mailto:bblagg@xxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: 04 January 2003 15:34 > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this will help, I'm using the latest version > > > of Duxbury and JFW 4.5. Occasionally when Jaws does not > > > speak text that I know is there, I do a screen refresh with > > > insert plus escape and that seems to bring the text back. > > > Insert plus escape doesn't work on earlier versions of Jaws > > > but on the 4 series it does. > > > > > > Ben > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Londa Hauser" <lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:52 AM > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bruce, > > > > > > > > I'm not Ann, but I've also had the same problem. There > > > seems to be no > > > > rhyme or reason who when it happens. I've had it happen on Windows > > > > 95, 98 and 2000. I always set my video cards to 256 colors and my > > > > resolution to 800 by 600. Usually, if I press the up > > > arrow, I can get > > > > the text to read, but this is annoying and makes for a lot > > > more work. > > > > I hope this helps a little. > > > > > > > > Londa Hauser, Access Technology Specialist > > > > Tri-County Association for the Blind > > > > (717) 238-2531 > > > > lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > http://www.tricountyblind.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bruce Maguire [SMTP:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:31 AM > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > > > > > Hi Ann > > > > > > > > Does this happen in print files, braille files, or both? Does it > > > > happen with all versions of Duxbury. I'll try and reproduce the > > > > problem on my system, but it would be good if you can give me some > > > > details about which version of Windows you are using and what video > > > > card/resolution you have. > > > > > > > > By the way, I'm a braille producer in Australia, and I'm > > > also on the > > > > Jaws beta testing list so I should be able to at least raise the > > > > issues. I haven't had much free time during the past year as I was > > > > finishing a university course, but now that that's > > > (hopefully) over, I > > > > should be able to participate more actively in some of these > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Bruce > > > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:00 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Bruce > > > > >Here is my biggest problem with jaws 4 series and duxbury. I'm a > > > > >braille > > > > transcriber so I read everything line by line. I arrow down to the > > > > next line and jaws announces blank. It will happen > > > intermittently for > > > > 1 or several lines. In reality, there is text there, but jaws does > > > > not speak it. I tried refreshing my screen, changing the view in > > > > duxbury to full page, all to no avail. > > > > > > > > > >Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist > > > > >Texas Commission for the Blind > > > > >4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 > > > > >Austin, TX 78756 > > > > >PH: (512) 377-0654 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Bruce Maguire [mailto:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:17 AM > > > > >To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > >Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Sylvia > > > > > > > > > >There have been a number of problems with Jaws and Duxbury > > > going back > > > > >years. For example, Jaws can't find blank lines in print files > > > > >produced by using the Control-M (new paragraph) command, similarly > > > > >with blank lines in braille files produced by control-K. > > > Perhaps we > > > > >need to raise the issues again with both Duxbury and Freedom > > > > >Scientific, as I know that there are a growing number of > > > people who > > > > >are using, or who want to use, Jaws with Duxbury. I'd be happy to > > > > >subit a list of compatibility issues to both companies if you are > > > > >able to give me some specfics about any problems you have > > > with Jaws > > > > >4.5 and Duxbury. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > >Bruce > > > > >On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:39:32 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>I have noticed that JAWS 4.5 also doesn't work well with even > > > > >>Duxbury > > > > 10.3 > > > > >>or > > > > >>Microsoft Word. I have reverted back to JAWS 3.5, which > > > works better > > > > >>for > > > > me > > > > >>than 3.7 or any of the 4 series with both Duxbury and Microsoft > > > > >>Word. > > > > JAWS > > > > >>4.5 does work best for me on web pages. But, most of what > > > I am doing > > > > >>is > > > > with > > > > >>Microsoft Word and Duxbury. > > > > >> > > > > >>Sylvie Kashdan > > > > >>Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator > > > > >>KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations > > > > >>810-A Hiawatha Place South Seattle, WA 98144 > > > > >>phone: (206) 784-5619 > > > > >>email: kaizen_esl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > >> > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>From: "Foxworth, Ann" <Ann.Foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:46 AM > > > > >>Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Teresa: What version of JAWS are you using? I have noticed that > > > > >>ever > > > > since > > > > >>JAWS put out the 4 series, it has not worked well in > > > Duxbury. I've > > > > >>experienced the very problem you have seen. I actually had to > > > > >>revert > > > > back > > > > >>to 3.7. > > > > >> > > > > >>Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist > > > > >>Texas Commission for the Blind > > > > >>4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 > > > > >>Austin, TX 78756 > > > > >>PH: (512) 377-0654 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > >>From: Theresa Hodge [mailto:theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:43 AM > > > > >>To: Duxbury User Group > > > > >>Subject: [duxuser] Duxbury and JAWS > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Hi Everyone > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm using Duxbury 10.2E and JAWS 4.02. Yesterday I noticed that > > > > >>when I > > > > was > > > > >>editing a file in Duxbury and using Control and the right > > > arrow key > > > > >>to > > > > move > > > > >>to the next word, JAWS would often announce the word before. It > > > > >>would > > > > also > > > > >>do the same kind of thing if I moved one character at a time, > > > > >>therefore making it very hard to track where I was in a > > > > >>word/sentence. 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