[duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
- From: "Phyllis Bono" <phyllisbono@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:06:35 -0600
Yah, Steve, I'll have to get somebody over here who knows about computers
and have them look at my sound card and screen. I just bought this computer
last June. How could a sound card go bad so fast? I guess they do. I'm on
here every day.
I wonder if, too, that sometimes when I have a lot of programs open that it
might cause the speech to disappear? One time it happened to me at work,
when I had way too many programs open and my speech went away. I had to
totally turn everything off. It happened a long time ago. I didn't even
have the JAWS 4.0 series. It never happened again after that.
Thanks for responding so quickly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> Phyllis,
>
> If you have to turn the computer off and restart it, I'd say your problem
> is with the sound card itself. You might also ask someone to look at your
> screen when the speech disappears. A program may be terminating
> abnormally, and you may be stuck in a message box that's preventing you
> from doing anything else.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Saturday 1/4/03 19:18 Phyllis Bono wrote:
> >I know that when I'm either finished with Internet explorer or if I'm
> >sending a message or even trying to close everything out, my speech goes
> >completely out. When I do an insert J, it won't come back. Even when I
do
> >a control plus alt plus J, it won't come back. I have to turn my
computer
> >off for a few seconds and turn it back on again.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ben Blagg" <bblagg@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 5:57 PM
> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> >
> >
> > > Most experienced JFW users, especially with 4.0 and beyond, are aware
that
> > > Jaws doesn't always stay focused and you have to refocus, sometimes
with
> >an
> > > alt tab. It seems to be a problem with the screen reader, but really
it
> > > isn't a big thing as long as you are aware of the focus issue. It
almost
> > > becomes second nature to make sure your focus is where you want it to
be.
> > > Thanks George for the further explanation. And, by the way, happy new
> >year.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:21 AM
> > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for passing on that tip. It appears to be a continual
problem,
> > > > and is generally caused by what is known as the "off screen model"
of
> > > > the screen reader not being refreshed automatically. I'm sure many
of
> > > > you will have seen this problem reported in programs like Word for
> > > > Windows, where it often maifests itself by saying "blank line" where
in
> > > > fact text is there.
> > > >
> > > > I'm hoping some of these problems will be resolved very soon after
the
> > > > screen reader companies finally agree on a common standard of video
> > > > interfacing.
> > > >
> > > > Just for the record, we had a case recently where neither screen
reader
> > > > nor software product was to blame for similar misreading problems.
It
> > > > turned out to be an extremely obscure problem to do with Microsoft's
> > > > Active Accessibility. (MSA) Took some finding, but just goes to
show
> > > > how difficult some problems are to resolve.
> > > >
> > > > George Bell
> > > > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ben Blagg [mailto:bblagg@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 04 January 2003 15:34
> > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if this will help, I'm using the latest version
> > > > > of Duxbury and JFW 4.5. Occasionally when Jaws does not
> > > > > speak text that I know is there, I do a screen refresh with
> > > > > insert plus escape and that seems to bring the text back.
> > > > > Insert plus escape doesn't work on earlier versions of Jaws
> > > > > but on the 4 series it does.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Londa Hauser" <lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:52 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Bruce,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not Ann, but I've also had the same problem. There
> > > > > seems to be no
> > > > > > rhyme or reason who when it happens. I've had it happen on
Windows
> > > > > > 95, 98 and 2000. I always set my video cards to 256 colors and
my
> > > > > > resolution to 800 by 600. Usually, if I press the up
> > > > > arrow, I can get
> > > > > > the text to read, but this is annoying and makes for a lot
> > > > > more work.
> > > > > > I hope this helps a little.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Londa Hauser, Access Technology Specialist
> > > > > > Tri-County Association for the Blind
> > > > > > (717) 238-2531
> > > > > > lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > http://www.tricountyblind.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Bruce Maguire [SMTP:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:31 AM
> > > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ann
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this happen in print files, braille files, or both? Does it
> > > > > > happen with all versions of Duxbury. I'll try and reproduce the
> > > > > > problem on my system, but it would be good if you can give me
some
> > > > > > details about which version of Windows you are using and what
video
> > > > > > card/resolution you have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, I'm a braille producer in Australia, and I'm
> > > > > also on the
> > > > > > Jaws beta testing list so I should be able to at least raise the
> > > > > > issues. I haven't had much free time during the past year as I
was
> > > > > > finishing a university course, but now that that's
> > > > > (hopefully) over, I
> > > > > > should be able to participate more actively in some of these
> > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:22:00 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Bruce
> > > > > > >Here is my biggest problem with jaws 4 series and duxbury. I'm
a
> > > > > > >braille
> > > > > > transcriber so I read everything line by line. I arrow down to
the
> > > > > > next line and jaws announces blank. It will happen
> > > > > intermittently for
> > > > > > 1 or several lines. In reality, there is text there, but jaws
does
> > > > > > not speak it. I tried refreshing my screen, changing the view
in
> > > > > > duxbury to full page, all to no avail.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist
> > > > > > >Texas Commission for the Blind
> > > > > > >4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130
> > > > > > >Austin, TX 78756
> > > > > > >PH: (512) 377-0654
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: Bruce Maguire [mailto:bruceonline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:17 AM
> > > > > > >To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi Sylvia
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >There have been a number of problems with Jaws and Duxbury
> > > > > going back
> > > > > > >years. For example, Jaws can't find blank lines in print files
> > > > > > >produced by using the Control-M (new paragraph) command,
similarly
> > > > > > >with blank lines in braille files produced by control-K.
> > > > > Perhaps we
> > > > > > >need to raise the issues again with both Duxbury and Freedom
> > > > > > >Scientific, as I know that there are a growing number of
> > > > > people who
> > > > > > >are using, or who want to use, Jaws with Duxbury. I'd be happy
to
> > > > > > >subit a list of compatibility issues to both companies if you
are
> > > > > > >able to give me some specfics about any problems you have
> > > > > with Jaws
> > > > > > >4.5 and Duxbury.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Cheers
> > > > > > >Bruce
> > > > > > >On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:39:32 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>I have noticed that JAWS 4.5 also doesn't work well with even
> > > > > > >>Duxbury
> > > > > > 10.3
> > > > > > >>or
> > > > > > >>Microsoft Word. I have reverted back to JAWS 3.5, which
> > > > > works better
> > > > > > >>for
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > >>than 3.7 or any of the 4 series with both Duxbury and
Microsoft
> > > > > > >>Word.
> > > > > > JAWS
> > > > > > >>4.5 does work best for me on web pages. But, most of what
> > > > > I am doing
> > > > > > >>is
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > >>Microsoft Word and Duxbury.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Sylvie Kashdan
> > > > > > >>Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
> > > > > > >>KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual
Limitations
> > > > > > >>810-A Hiawatha Place South Seattle, WA 98144
> > > > > > >>phone: (206) 784-5619
> > > > > > >>email: kaizen_esl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >>From: "Foxworth, Ann" <Ann.Foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > >>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:46 AM
> > > > > > >>Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Teresa: What version of JAWS are you using? I have noticed
that
> > > > > > >>ever
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > >>JAWS put out the 4 series, it has not worked well in
> > > > > Duxbury. I've
> > > > > > >>experienced the very problem you have seen. I actually had to
> > > > > > >>revert
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > >>to 3.7.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist
> > > > > > >>Texas Commission for the Blind
> > > > > > >>4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130
> > > > > > >>Austin, TX 78756
> > > > > > >>PH: (512) 377-0654
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >>From: Theresa Hodge [mailto:theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > >>Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:43 AM
> > > > > > >>To: Duxbury User Group
> > > > > > >>Subject: [duxuser] Duxbury and JAWS
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Hi Everyone
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I'm using Duxbury 10.2E and JAWS 4.02. Yesterday I noticed
that
> > > > > > >>when I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > >>editing a file in Duxbury and using Control and the right
> > > > > arrow key
> > > > > > >>to
> > > > > > move
> > > > > > >>to the next word, JAWS would often announce the word before.
It
> > > > > > >>would
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > >>do the same kind of thing if I moved one character at a time,
> > > > > > >>therefore making it very hard to track where I was in a
> > > > > > >>word/sentence. Has anyone else come across this problem, and
is
> > > > > > >>there a way of fixing it?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Theresa Hodge
> > > > > > >>Equal Access Consultancy
> > > > > > >>PO Box 1
> > > > > > >>St Leonards-on-Sea
> > > > > > >>East Sussex TN37 6YQ
> > > > > > >>Tel/Fax: 01424 421411
> > > > > > >>E-mail: theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Theresa Hodge
> > > > > > >>theresa.hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
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