** Hastings Rock Radio **
Unfortunately this is where the main challenge lies and it is going to be
very much down to the "anchor" DJ's to manage their set up which will most
likely be unique for each individual.
For example, my development PC has an M-Audio Delta44 fitted (as does the
machine we normally use in the studio for Hastings Rock) which gives, on
top of the onboard sound card an additional 2 stereo in/outs. If I were
doing it then I'd have my 2 Playout channels fed to the 2 M-Audio outputs
routed to the desk. I'd then take the Mumble output through the onboard
card, feed that to another fader on the desk (that's your DJ chat
channel). The main out from the mixer then feeds to an M-Audio input (and
hence to the streaming output), I'd *probably* then feed my monitor output
to the other M-Audio input which then connects to the Mumble input. That's
your input to the DJ chat, plus they can then hear the audio output (for
the most part). It also offers the ability to chat with the DJs off-air
via Pfl.
However unless you've got than many ins & outs, that won't work for
everyone. Just adding a second channel gets you most of the way there -
you'd loose a Playout channel in that configuration as you'd need that for
the Mumble output but that's liveable with.
If you've just got the one set of in/outs - the default for any PC, that's
where people need to get creative and might need to start looking at
things like software mixers to accomplish something like this. We're
currently using one of these here to do the audio routing between Playout
and the incoming streams - something called VoiceMeeter
(https://www.vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/), works quite well, unfortunately
it's also the thing that is causing the audio stutter every few days
(however for the duration most people will be using it, will be fine). For
those wanting to explore that route, I have a write up of how we've been
using it here:
https://www.onasticksoftware.co.uk/playout-dev.html#17/05/20
Bottom line (and without being rude to anyone here) you need people with
the technical know how and experience as your "anchors" here because I
can't help set up everyone's individual system. Hence I'd be a little
worried here with Phil on the roster because he only got his mixer like
mere days before the broadcast and this might be a bit out of his depth.
Rgs,
Jon.
Perhaps it could be discussed over Mumble? I have just connected up and
it seems to be working. No one else there though so obviously I cannot
confirm.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 22:06, sfhrock wrote:
Sarah,
Apologies, I meant to send my last email to all but glad I did not
because that idea will not work.
It totally depends on how the caller would hear your voice. If it is
from your broadcast mic, I would guess they would hear something from
your studio speakers whilst the music is playing. It depends on how
your voice is fed to Mumble, assuming it is Mumble you are referring to.
Without a bit more info I can't really help.
This might best be discussed over the phone rather than typing it all
out. It takes ages this way. Then we can pass on the info to everyone
once you have it sorted out.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 21:31, Andy Gunton wrote:.
Were you using Jonâs suggested Mumble app?--
Weâll need that for the final night.
Andy
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*Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:05:05 PM
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Ok, test went well and worked fine, although the only thing I havenât
figured out is how the caller can hear the output music. Not sure
that is vital, but may be able to yet work out how to do that.
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*Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:17 PM
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*Subject:* [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
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Andy,
I agree with the local DJ idea as many of us will have been involved
for long time but never have experienced a broadcast quite like this.
I think for the anchors it will be a busy programme as they will
control the guests, playing the music, doing the housekeeping
activities and making sure everything comes together from a technical
point of view and effectively driving the programme along, so they
need to be comfortable with that.
Then we will need a list of those who want to be guests. They would
need to pair up with the anchors; probably with those who have a bit
of a rapport with each other to help keep it moving and relaxed.
The only other thing I will say is the anchors would need to keep a
tight check on time. It will be very easy for each guest and hence
the segment to overrun and we do not want that. It would make it
stressful for everyone. So the anchors need to push the guests along
if they are talking a bit too much and the guest's slot is starting
to overrun.
With Mumble, it should be possible to have all three guests on
together if a group wanted to do it that way.
I am happy to be a guest.
Simon.
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On 24/05/2020 13:05, Andy Gunton wrote:
Ralph: In the password, the O is the capital letter 'O', not the--
number zero. That stopped me the first time.
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I also think this is a great idea, well done Simon, if we can get it
all to work ok.
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I've managed to download & set up the Mumble app, so presumably I'll
now be able to connect to the live DJ?
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We're still working on which DJs will be doing the slots, but this
will hopefully enable those DJs who can't be live on the night to
get involved, including those of us who've not been involved at all
this year, which is what I wanted to try & do all along.
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I'd like to keep it to local DJs presenting the final night shows if
possible, but of course people like Martin Turner & Ray Copeland
could still be involved via the Mumble app if they wanted to be.
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So hopefully 3 x 2 hour slots from 6pm & then play DSOTM around
midnight.
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Thoughts?
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Cheers,
Andy
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on behalf of Ralph mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* 24 May 2020 12:02
*To:* hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
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Hi Jon. Iâm trying to set up mumble on iOS itâs fine until I hit
connect. I then get a messageÂ
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Keeps coming back to same message.
Any ideas. Ralph
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On 24 May 2020, at 08:09, sfhrock mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

Yes this is not difficult to install and get running. I have done
so myself. It will eliminate the need to be able to handle
telephone calls. Therefore anyone with a home studio can make use
of it if they wish. It should also be better quality.
Simon.
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On 23/05/2020 21:57, hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Here's the link to the Mumble setup I put together earlier--
http://www.oasw.co.uk/mpublic/hrock-bits/2020/mumble-setup.pdf
What this does is allows all the dj's to join an audio real time
"chat room". Acts a bit like a telephone conference call.
If you couple this with Simon's idea each "anchor" has the output
of this on their desk and fade can then chat with the dj's who are
participating in their segment.
You'd need people to set this up and test it in advance but
everyone can more or less do that themselves if they follow the
instructions. There's no need to coordinate anything with me it
runs alongside the main studio.
On 23 May 2020 21:00:01 BST, Tony Davis
mailto:tonydavis210852@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Who would anchors be because Iâm not sure that anyone other
than Sarah can connect to a phone and we are not testing
whether that works or not until tomorrow. Think we may be over
complicating this and perhaps just shorter sets for djs and,
if it works, the possibility of others ringing into Sarah to
present. We are testing tomorrow the possibility of taking in
the stream through messenger.
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*To: *hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
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** Hastings Rock Radio **
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Simon THAT. my friend is a cracking idea. I love that.
Thing is I do feel it may be a little complicated to get
sorted and broadcastable inside six days but...................
R
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> On 23 May 2020, at 19:46, sfhrock
mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>
> How about this for an idea?
>
> The evening is spilt into segments. Just to outline some
terminology to
> make it easier to explain, each segment is hosted by an
'anchor'. The
> criteria for being an anchor is that you can present a
programme from
> home and put a phone call on air.
>
> In each segment there are 'guest DJs', say up to
three,depending how
> long each segment is.
>
> Each guest DJ presents a set; three or four tracks, could be
their
> choice, whatever.
>
> This could be as a straight set so they are left to present
down the
> phone with the anchor simply playing the tracks, or in
conversation with
> the anchor, maybe talking about the chosen tracks perhaps or
reading out
> dedications etc.
>
> Each segment is produced by the anchor in conjunction with
their guest
> DJs, so it is entirely up to them how they organise the
tracks, who is
> saying what etc. That way no one has to try and produce the
whole
> evening, which would be a nightmare.
>
> If we had three people that could act as anchors and each
had a two hour
> segment we would get 12 DJs including anchors in the 6 hour
slot. If
> there are more that want to be part of it we may have to
start earlier.
> If there are those that would like to do a show on their own
without
> guests, than they can but they have much shorter segment.
>
> It sound complicated but if each group produces only their
segment, then
> it should not be too onerous. Also, with each group
producing their own
> segment, the segments will probably each sound slightly
different, which
> would be more interesting to listen to and keep people
listening through
> the evening.
>
> I think just leaving a message on the phone, whilst it is a
lot simpler,
> is not going to sound that special to be honest.
>
> Each group would need to think about how the guests could
hear the track
> playing, unless the anchor is controlling through
conversation, but all
> of that would be up to each group to work out.
>
> Ambitious yes, but it would be a bit different and maybe
interesting to
> listen to?
>
> Simon.
>
>
>> On 22/05/2020 21:20, sfhrock wrote:
>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>
>> The ads could be taken out as I have done for JD's Rock and
Roll but six
>> hours is rather a lot to go through and the programme is
usually a bit
>> chaotic. I don't think it will fit very well with the times
either. It
>> would just remind everyone of what they are missing. Did
some of it come
>> from the Carlisle?
>>
>> Maybe we could have a number of DJs doing short stints
rather like we do
>> anyway on the last Friday, particularly from those who have
contributed
>> this year.
>>
>> I think using Jon's virtual studio facility would work
quite well for
>> this and allow a bit more variety of voices. Richard Stack
seems to have
>> mastered it very well. Unsurprisingly a bit shaky at the
start but you
>> would not have any idea he was using it now. He sounds just
as good as
>> anyone.
>>
>> Also, how about asking for dedications? Robojock is Ok but
it does not
>> allow someone to dedicate a song for someone else,
friend/loved one -
>> especially good if they are geo isolated from each other at
this time.
>> In fact we could say that any requests we play will only be
played if
>> they are dedications to someone else (obviously we would
need take this
>> on trust).
>>
>> For those with home studios with telephone connectivity,
other DJs could
>> contribute by phone though this would need a bit of
production,
>> particularly if the idea ran across slots, i.e who was
going to speak to
>> who and at what time to make sure no repetition and as many
are included
>> as possible. They could be invited to choose a few
favourites that they
>> could both talk about? This might be a bit complicated to
organise
>> though now I think about it but would be bit different to
the norm,
>> which might be a good thing at this time?
>>
>> Just a few ideas?
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>>
>>> On 22/05/2020 20:41, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser
for DMARC) wrote:
>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>
>>> Liking the jingle between DJs Jon.
>>> Another thought and by far the easiest option. Play out
last years last night. I guess itâs in the archives I know
itâs not the best option but...... adverts would be a problem
I guess.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 22 May 2020, at 19:33, jon bird
mailto:hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>>
>>>> Very quickly because I need to be somewhere else (not
physically obviously!).
>>>>
>>>> I've already mentioned the Mumble/voice comms thing as an
option so I
>>>> won't repeat that again here but happy to support setting
that up if
>>>> people want to give that a try.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to suggest that we forget the Zoom/video chat
idea, as the
>>>>> slight time lag would make it a problem & we want things
to be as easy as
>>>>> possible.
>>>> Before we dismiss the Zoom thing, it was mentioned about
how listeners
>>>> would be able to see the DJs on this. Of the couple of
sesssions I've been
>>>> involved with it was as a passive viewer - one of several
hundred in fact
>>>> watching 6-8 people on screen. Which is basically what
you are talking
>>>> about here. However I suspect you may have to pay to
accomodate more than
>>>> a few people and/or go over the 40 minute limit but I
can't really help
>>>> any further than that.
>>>>
>>>>> Nick has assured me that we don't need the hour between
live DJs, as long
>>>>> as we make sure they log out & in properly.
>>>>> This should only take minutes, if that, so we could
maybe let Robojock
>>>>> play one track between DJs & then log in at the end of
that track, unless
>>>>> it's a long one!
>>>>> How does that sound? Will that work?
>>>>>
>>>> Re: Tony's point about requests, that's easily done,
we'll just disable
>>>> the request page for the evening. It's only available
during periods when
>>>> we take requests anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think having Robojock kick in at the end of
every show for
>>>> potentially just a few seconds of a track will be a bit
rubbish. What I
>>>> think you want is a longish (say a minute) jingle/backing
track with a bit
>>>> of a voiceover - a bit like the "please hold, you call is
important to us"
>>>> but more "we're just getting ready for the next show,
stand by....". That
>>>> just runs up until the next DJ connects up - which will
hopefully be
>>>> within seconds of the previous one disconnecting. If not,
once the
>>>> announcement track is over, the default would be to drop
back to
>>>> automation (eg. presenter having technical difficulties).
I can easily set
>>>> that up, just needs someone to record something suitable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> == mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - in real life jon
bird
>>>> ==Â http://www.onasticksoftware.co.uk
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>>>> ==Â Â "men love women, women love children, children love
hamsters"
>>>> ==Â Â Â <technology out of control>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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