Hi all
I have to agree with Nick and Andy here and asK that we don’t over complicate
the final night at this late in the day.
Not just for the technical reasons either
I think it will be too much for each presenter
On 25 May 2020, at 14:13, Nick Apps <nick@hastingsroc
co.uk> wrote:
All good stuff .
I think we should we should keep it simple as Andy says and just phone in if
not taking part , im going to phone in on phil as it sounded so good when Dom
phoned in to his show . I do not want to get too invoved with the final
night I never do . But think DOSOTHM in full is a way to go . maybe starting
at 11.45 as we can go beyond midnight.
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
My thoughts were that obviously the guests liaise and agree with the anchors
re the tracks they want to play. That is part of the individual group's
production to sort out and why I thought it would be easier to do in small
groups. The idea is for the listeners to find out what the individual
passions are of the guests but obviously that has to be moderated by what is
possible at this time.
Otherwise, what are the guests bringing?
My idea for myself was to talk about the first records I bought. Not pretty
to be honest, so that might be a bit amusing but I would not play those. It
got better reasonably quickly so those are the ones I would choose. What
others do I think is up to them. It's up to each group to work it out between
themselves. With everyone doing something slightly different, that will
hopefully make for an interesting and varied evening.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 11:27, Tony Davis wrote:
Hi all
Will come back about the technical stuff with Mumble etc. When my technician
(Benjamin) has had a look but initial thoughts are we could have problems but
may have another solution.
With regard to the playlist if guests are going to pick their own tracks they
need to let the hosts know in advance because we do not all have access to
the complete database and may have to acquire other tracks. If we are working
from Classic tracks left to the discretion of the hosts then that is much
easier.
We need to keep this as easy as possible. It has been a good month and we
don’t want to mess it up but over complicating the final night. BTW I have
DSOTM ready to close us down.
Tony D
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Andy,
No, I don't entirely agree with the 'classics' idea and was not what I had in
mind for this. I think the guests should be able to play what they like,
something they perhaps have a passion for. That passion will come across and
make for a more interesting and varied programme. The anchors could perhaps
play the classics in between the guest spots, maybe even from a pre-ordered
playlist but I think the guests should play what they like. That way the
programme will be varied and mixed.
That's just my take on it of course.
Also, I think Phil the bus needs a bit of a steer regarding audio levels.
They are often not very consistent between tracks.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 08:39, Andy Gunton wrote:
That sounds like a plan Simon.
By the way, the final night DJs have been confirmed by Steve as:
6-8pm - Phill The Bus
8-10pm - Sarah Harvey
10pm to Closedown - Tony Davis.
I think it would be sensible to include Phill in the Mumble conversation as
he'll be involved on the night.
Not sure what Nick thinks, but I think we should allow the DJs free choice
during those shows, up to a point that is. I suggest we get them to use the
Top 100 tracks as a guide, and just try & play well known tracks from across
the years, as we've done in previous years.
I know Simon has only just finished playing out the Top 100, but these are
the all time Classics that listeners have voted for, and will be the sort of
thing listeners will be expecting to hear anyway.
Andy
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Perhaps it could be discussed over Mumble? I have just connected up and it
seems to be working. No one else there though so obviously I cannot confirm.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 22:06, sfhrock wrote:
Sarah,
Apologies, I meant to send my last email to all but glad I did not because
that idea will not work.
It totally depends on how the caller would hear your voice. If it is from
your broadcast mic, I would guess they would hear something from your studio
speakers whilst the music is playing. It depends on how your voice is fed to
Mumble, assuming it is Mumble you are referring to.
Without a bit more info I can't really help.
This might best be discussed over the phone rather than typing it all out. It
takes ages this way. Then we can pass on the info to everyone once you have
it sorted out.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 21:31, Andy Gunton wrote:.
Were you using Jon’s suggested Mumble app?
We’ll need that for the final night.
Andy
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Ok, test went well and worked fine, although the only thing I haven’t figured
out is how the caller can hear the output music. Not sure that is vital, but
may be able to yet work out how to do that.
Sarah
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Andy,
I agree with the local DJ idea as many of us will have been involved for long
time but never have experienced a broadcast quite like this.
I think for the anchors it will be a busy programme as they will control the
guests, playing the music, doing the housekeeping activities and making sure
everything comes together from a technical point of view and effectively
driving the programme along, so they need to be comfortable with that.
Then we will need a list of those who want to be guests. They would need to
pair up with the anchors; probably with those who have a bit of a rapport
with each other to help keep it moving and relaxed.
The only other thing I will say is the anchors would need to keep a tight
check on time. It will be very easy for each guest and hence the segment to
overrun and we do not want that. It would make it stressful for everyone. So
the anchors need to push the guests along if they are talking a bit too much
and the guest's slot is starting to overrun.
With Mumble, it should be possible to have all three guests on together if a
group wanted to do it that way.
I am happy to be a guest.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 13:05, Andy Gunton wrote:
Ralph: In the password, the O is the capital letter 'O', not the number zero.
That stopped me the first time.
I also think this is a great idea, well done Simon, if we can get it all to
work ok.
I've managed to download & set up the Mumble app, so presumably I'll now be
able to connect to the live DJ?
We're still working on which DJs will be doing the slots, but this will
hopefully enable those DJs who can't be live on the night to get involved,
including those of us who've not been involved at all this year, which is
what I wanted to try & do all along.
I'd like to keep it to local DJs presenting the final night shows if
possible, but of course people like Martin Turner & Ray Copeland could still
be involved via the Mumble app if they wanted to be.
So hopefully 3 x 2 hour slots from 6pm & then play DSOTM around midnight.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Andy
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Phone: 07545 264247
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Hi Jon. I’m trying to set up mumble on iOS it’s fine until I hit connect. I
then get a message
Connection Rejected
Wrong Server Password
I’ve tried both root.oasw.co.uk and
NmJkZjYzYjA10WYy
Keeps coming back to same message.
Any ideas. Ralph
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On 24 May 2020, at 08:09, sfhrock mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes this is not difficult to install and get running. I have done so myself.
It will eliminate the need to be able to handle telephone calls. Therefore
anyone with a home studio can make use of it if they wish. It should also be
better quality.
Simon.
On 23/05/2020 21:57, hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Here's the link to the Mumble setup I put together earlier
http://www.oasw.co.uk/mpublic/hrock-bits/2020/mumble-setup.pdf ;
What this does is allows all the dj's to join an audio real time "chat room".
Acts a bit like a telephone conference call.
If you couple this with Simon's idea each "anchor" has the output of this on
their desk and fade can then chat with the dj's who are participating in
their segment.
You'd need people to set this up and test it in advance but everyone can more
or less do that themselves if they follow the instructions. There's no need
to coordinate anything with me it runs alongside the main studio.
On 23 May 2020 21:00:01 BST, Tony Davis mailto:tonydavis210852@xxxxxxxxx ;
wrote:
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Who would anchors be because I’m not sure that anyone other than Sarah can
connect to a phone and we are not testing whether that works or not until
tomorrow. Think we may be over complicating this and perhaps just shorter
sets for djs and, if it works, the possibility of others ringing into Sarah
to present. We are testing tomorrow the possibility of taking in the stream
through messenger.
Tony D
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
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Simon THAT. my friend is a cracking idea. I love that.
Thing is I do feel it may be a little complicated to get sorted and
broadcastable inside six days but...................
R
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On 23 May 2020, at 19:46, sfhrock mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
How about this for an idea?
The evening is spilt into segments. Just to outline some terminology to
make it easier to explain, each segment is hosted by an 'anchor'. The
criteria for being an anchor is that you can present a programme from
home and put a phone call on air.
In each segment there are 'guest DJs', say up to three,depending how
long each segment is.
Each guest DJ presents a set; three or four tracks, could be their
choice, whatever.
This could be as a straight set so they are left to present down the
phone with the anchor simply playing the tracks, or in conversation with
the anchor, maybe talking about the chosen tracks perhaps or reading out
dedications etc.
Each segment is produced by the anchor in conjunction with their guest
DJs, so it is entirely up to them how they organise the tracks, who is
saying what etc. That way no one has to try and produce the whole
evening, which would be a nightmare.
If we had three people that could act as anchors and each had a two hour
segment we would get 12 DJs including anchors in the 6 hour slot. If
there are more that want to be part of it we may have to start earlier.
If there are those that would like to do a show on their own without
guests, than they can but they have much shorter segment.
It sound complicated but if each group produces only their segment, then
it should not be too onerous. Also, with each group producing their own
segment, the segments will probably each sound slightly different, which
would be more interesting to listen to and keep people listening through
the evening.
I think just leaving a message on the phone, whilst it is a lot simpler,
is not going to sound that special to be honest.
Each group would need to think about how the guests could hear the track
playing, unless the anchor is controlling through conversation, but all
of that would be up to each group to work out.
Ambitious yes, but it would be a bit different and maybe interesting to
listen to?
Simon.
On 22/05/2020 21:20, sfhrock wrote:--
** Hastings Rock Radio **
The ads could be taken out as I have done for JD's Rock and Roll but six
hours is rather a lot to go through and the programme is usually a bit
chaotic. I don't think it will fit very well with the times either. It
would just remind everyone of what they are missing. Did some of it come
from the Carlisle?
Maybe we could have a number of DJs doing short stints rather like we do
anyway on the last Friday, particularly from those who have contributed
this year.
I think using Jon's virtual studio facility would work quite well for
this and allow a bit more variety of voices. Richard Stack seems to have
mastered it very well. Unsurprisingly a bit shaky at the start but you
would not have any idea he was using it now. He sounds just as good as
anyone.
Also, how about asking for dedications? Robojock is Ok but it does not
allow someone to dedicate a song for someone else, friend/loved one -
especially good if they are geo isolated from each other at this time.
In fact we could say that any requests we play will only be played if
they are dedications to someone else (obviously we would need take this
on trust).
For those with home studios with telephone connectivity, other DJs could
contribute by phone though this would need a bit of production,
particularly if the idea ran across slots, i.e who was going to speak to
who and at what time to make sure no repetition and as many are included
as possible. They could be invited to choose a few favourites that they
could both talk about? This might be a bit complicated to organise
though now I think about it but would be bit different to the norm,
which might be a good thing at this time?
Just a few ideas?
Simon.
On 22/05/2020 20:41, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser for DMARC) wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Liking the jingle between DJs Jon.
Another thought and by far the easiest option. Play out last years last
night. I guess it’s in the archives I know it’s not the best option
but...... adverts would be a problem I guess.
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On 22 May 2020, at 19:33, jon bird mailto:hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Very quickly because I need to be somewhere else (not physically
obviously!).
I've already mentioned the Mumble/voice comms thing as an option so I
won't repeat that again here but happy to support setting that up if
people want to give that a try.
I'm going to suggest that we forget the Zoom/video chat idea, as theBefore we dismiss the Zoom thing, it was mentioned about how listeners
slight time lag would make it a problem & we want things to be as easy
as
possible.
would be able to see the DJs on this. Of the couple of sesssions I've
been
involved with it was as a passive viewer - one of several hundred in fact
watching 6-8 people on screen. Which is basically what you are talking
about here. However I suspect you may have to pay to accomodate more than
a few people and/or go over the 40 minute limit but I can't really help
any further than that.
Nick has assured me that we don't need the hour between live DJs, asRe: Tony's point about requests, that's easily done, we'll just disable
long
as we make sure they log out & in properly.
This should only take minutes, if that, so we could maybe let Robojock
play one track between DJs & then log in at the end of that track,
unless
it's a long one!
How does that sound? Will that work?
the request page for the evening. It's only available during periods when
we take requests anyway...
Personally I think having Robojock kick in at the end of every show for
potentially just a few seconds of a track will be a bit rubbish. What I
think you want is a longish (say a minute) jingle/backing track with a
bit
of a voiceover - a bit like the "please hold, you call is important to
us"
but more "we're just getting ready for the next show, stand by....". That
just runs up until the next DJ connects up - which will hopefully be
within seconds of the previous one disconnecting. If not, once the
announcement track is over, the default would be to drop back to
automation (eg. presenter having technical difficulties). I can easily
set
that up, just needs someone to record something suitable.
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