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On 25 May 2020, at 16:44, Ralph <ralphwinser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all
I have to agree with Nick and Andy here and asK that we don’t over complicate
the final night at this late in the day.
Not just for the technical reasons either (Although these are a concern)
I think it will be too much for each presenter to do. Looking after levels, a
mumble feed, emails,s and text and Facebook messages from listeners wanting
(as they always do) to wish HR thankS and get a last dedication After all
it is about the listeners and notWhether we can pull off another technical
thing. I have however downloaded mumble on iPhone but not sure it’s how I
want to participate in a radio show
In fact it’s not
Anyway keep it simples I say.
Right
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On 25 May 2020, at 10:55, sfhrock <sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Andy,
No, I don't entirely agree with the 'classics' idea and was not what I had
in mind for this. I think the guests should be able to play what they like,
something they perhaps have a passion for. That passion will come across and
make for a more interesting and varied programme. The anchors could perhaps
play the classics in between the guest spots, maybe even from a pre-ordered
playlist but I think the guests should play what they like. That way the
programme will be varied and mixed.
That's just my take on it of course.
Also, I think Phil the bus needs a bit of a steer regarding audio levels.
They are often not very consistent between tracks.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 08:39, Andy Gunton wrote:--
That sounds like a plan Simon.
By the way, the final night DJs have been confirmed by Steve as:
6-8pm - Phill The Bus
8-10pm - Sarah Harvey
10pm to Closedown - Tony Davis.
I think it would be sensible to include Phill in the Mumble conversation as
he'll be involved on the night.
Not sure what Nick thinks, but I think we should allow the DJs free choice
during those shows, up to a point that is. I suggest we get them to use the
Top 100 tracks as a guide, and just try & play well known tracks from
across the years, as we've done in previous years.
I know Simon has only just finished playing out the Top 100, but these are
the all time Classics that listeners have voted for, and will be the sort
of thing listeners will be expecting to hear anyway.
Andy
Andy Gunton
Phone: 07545 264247
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sfhrock <sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 24 May 2020 22:37
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Perhaps it could be discussed over Mumble? I have just connected up and it
seems to be working. No one else there though so obviously I cannot confirm.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 22:06, sfhrock wrote:
Sarah,--
Apologies, I meant to send my last email to all but glad I did not because
that idea will not work.
It totally depends on how the caller would hear your voice. If it is from
your broadcast mic, I would guess they would hear something from your
studio speakers whilst the music is playing. It depends on how your voice
is fed to Mumble, assuming it is Mumble you are referring to.
Without a bit more info I can't really help.
This might best be discussed over the phone rather than typing it all out.
It takes ages this way. Then we can pass on the info to everyone once you
have it sorted out.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 21:31, Andy Gunton wrote:.
Were you using Jon’s suggested Mumble app?--
We’ll need that for the final night.
Andy
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Ok, test went well and worked fine, although the only thing I haven’t
figured out is how the caller can hear the output music. Not sure that is
vital, but may be able to yet work out how to do that.
Sarah
From: sfhrock
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:17 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Andy,
I agree with the local DJ idea as many of us will have been involved for
long time but never have experienced a broadcast quite like this.
I think for the anchors it will be a busy programme as they will control
the guests, playing the music, doing the housekeeping activities and
making sure everything comes together from a technical point of view and
effectively driving the programme along, so they need to be comfortable
with that.
Then we will need a list of those who want to be guests. They would need
to pair up with the anchors; probably with those who have a bit of a
rapport with each other to help keep it moving and relaxed.
The only other thing I will say is the anchors would need to keep a tight
check on time. It will be very easy for each guest and hence the segment
to overrun and we do not want that. It would make it stressful for
everyone. So the anchors need to push the guests along if they are
talking a bit too much and the guest's slot is starting to overrun.
With Mumble, it should be possible to have all three guests on together
if a group wanted to do it that way.
I am happy to be a guest.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 13:05, Andy Gunton wrote:
Ralph: In the password, the O is the capital letter 'O', not the number--
zero. That stopped me the first time.
I also think this is a great idea, well done Simon, if we can get it all
to work ok.
I've managed to download & set up the Mumble app, so presumably I'll now
be able to connect to the live DJ?
We're still working on which DJs will be doing the slots, but this will
hopefully enable those DJs who can't be live on the night to get
involved, including those of us who've not been involved at all this
year, which is what I wanted to try & do all along.
I'd like to keep it to local DJs presenting the final night shows if
possible, but of course people like Martin Turner & Ray Copeland could
still be involved via the Mumble app if they wanted to be.
So hopefully 3 x 2 hour slots from 6pm & then play DSOTM around midnight.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Andy
Andy Gunton
Phone: 07545 264247
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Sent: 24 May 2020 12:02
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Hi Jon. I’m trying to set up mumble on iOS it’s fine until I hit
connect. I then get a message
Connection Rejected
Wrong Server Password
I’ve tried both root.oasw.co.uk and
NmJkZjYzYjA10WYy
Keeps coming back to same message.
Any ideas. Ralph
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On 24 May 2020, at 08:09, sfhrock mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
wrote:
Yes this is not difficult to install and get running. I have done so
myself. It will eliminate the need to be able to handle telephone
calls. Therefore anyone with a home studio can make use of it if they
wish. It should also be better quality.
Simon.
On 23/05/2020 21:57, hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Here's the link to the Mumble setup I put together earlier--
http://www.oasw.co.uk/mpublic/hrock-bits/2020/mumble-setup.pdf ;
What this does is allows all the dj's to join an audio real time "chat
room". Acts a bit like a telephone conference call.
If you couple this with Simon's idea each "anchor" has the output of
this on their desk and fade can then chat with the dj's who are
participating in their segment.
You'd need people to set this up and test it in advance but everyone
can more or less do that themselves if they follow the instructions.
There's no need to coordinate anything with me it runs alongside the
main studio.
On 23 May 2020 21:00:01 BST, Tony Davis
mailto:tonydavis210852@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Who would anchors be because I’m not sure that anyone other than Sarah
can connect to a phone and we are not testing whether that works or
not until tomorrow. Think we may be over complicating this and perhaps
just shorter sets for djs and, if it works, the possibility of others
ringing into Sarah to present. We are testing tomorrow the possibility
of taking in the stream through messenger.
Tony D
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From: Ralph
Sent: 23 May 2020 20:23
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Simon THAT. my friend is a cracking idea. I love that.
Thing is I do feel it may be a little complicated to get sorted and
broadcastable inside six days but...................
R
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On 23 May 2020, at 19:46, sfhrock mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
How about this for an idea?
The evening is spilt into segments. Just to outline some terminology
to
make it easier to explain, each segment is hosted by an 'anchor'. The
criteria for being an anchor is that you can present a programme from
home and put a phone call on air.
In each segment there are 'guest DJs', say up to three,depending how
long each segment is.
Each guest DJ presents a set; three or four tracks, could be their
choice, whatever.
This could be as a straight set so they are left to present down the
phone with the anchor simply playing the tracks, or in conversation
with
the anchor, maybe talking about the chosen tracks perhaps or reading
out
dedications etc.
Each segment is produced by the anchor in conjunction with their
guest
DJs, so it is entirely up to them how they organise the tracks, who
is
saying what etc. That way no one has to try and produce the whole
evening, which would be a nightmare.
If we had three people that could act as anchors and each had a two
hour
segment we would get 12 DJs including anchors in the 6 hour slot. If
there are more that want to be part of it we may have to start
earlier.
If there are those that would like to do a show on their own without
guests, than they can but they have much shorter segment.
It sound complicated but if each group produces only their segment,
then
it should not be too onerous. Also, with each group producing their
own
segment, the segments will probably each sound slightly different,
which
would be more interesting to listen to and keep people listening
through
the evening.
I think just leaving a message on the phone, whilst it is a lot
simpler,
is not going to sound that special to be honest.
Each group would need to think about how the guests could hear the
track
playing, unless the anchor is controlling through conversation, but
all
of that would be up to each group to work out.
Ambitious yes, but it would be a bit different and maybe interesting
to
listen to?
Simon.
On 22/05/2020 21:20, sfhrock wrote:--
** Hastings Rock Radio **
The ads could be taken out as I have done for JD's Rock and Roll
but six
hours is rather a lot to go through and the programme is usually a
bit
chaotic. I don't think it will fit very well with the times either.
It
would just remind everyone of what they are missing. Did some of it
come
from the Carlisle?
Maybe we could have a number of DJs doing short stints rather like
we do
anyway on the last Friday, particularly from those who have
contributed
this year.
I think using Jon's virtual studio facility would work quite well
for
this and allow a bit more variety of voices. Richard Stack seems to
have
mastered it very well. Unsurprisingly a bit shaky at the start but
you
would not have any idea he was using it now. He sounds just as good
as
anyone.
Also, how about asking for dedications? Robojock is Ok but it does
not
allow someone to dedicate a song for someone else, friend/loved one
-
especially good if they are geo isolated from each other at this
time.
In fact we could say that any requests we play will only be played
if
they are dedications to someone else (obviously we would need take
this
on trust).
For those with home studios with telephone connectivity, other DJs
could
contribute by phone though this would need a bit of production,
particularly if the idea ran across slots, i.e who was going to
speak to
who and at what time to make sure no repetition and as many are
included
as possible. They could be invited to choose a few favourites that
they
could both talk about? This might be a bit complicated to organise
though now I think about it but would be bit different to the norm,
which might be a good thing at this time?
Just a few ideas?
Simon.
On 22/05/2020 20:41, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser for DMARC)
wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Liking the jingle between DJs Jon.
Another thought and by far the easiest option. Play out last years
last night. I guess it’s in the archives I know it’s not the best
option but...... adverts would be a problem I guess.
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On 22 May 2020, at 19:33, jon bird
mailto:hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Very quickly because I need to be somewhere else (not physically
obviously!).
I've already mentioned the Mumble/voice comms thing as an option
so I
won't repeat that again here but happy to support setting that up
if
people want to give that a try.
I'm going to suggest that we forget the Zoom/video chat idea, asBefore we dismiss the Zoom thing, it was mentioned about how
the
slight time lag would make it a problem & we want things to be
as easy as
possible.
listeners
would be able to see the DJs on this. Of the couple of sesssions
I've been
involved with it was as a passive viewer - one of several hundred
in fact
watching 6-8 people on screen. Which is basically what you are
talking
about here. However I suspect you may have to pay to accomodate
more than
a few people and/or go over the 40 minute limit but I can't
really help
any further than that.
Nick has assured me that we don't need the hour between liveRe: Tony's point about requests, that's easily done, we'll just
DJs, as long
as we make sure they log out & in properly.
This should only take minutes, if that, so we could maybe let
Robojock
play one track between DJs & then log in at the end of that
track, unless
it's a long one!
How does that sound? Will that work?
disable
the request page for the evening. It's only available during
periods when
we take requests anyway...
Personally I think having Robojock kick in at the end of every
show for
potentially just a few seconds of a track will be a bit rubbish.
What I
think you want is a longish (say a minute) jingle/backing track
with a bit
of a voiceover - a bit like the "please hold, you call is
important to us"
but more "we're just getting ready for the next show, stand
by....". That
just runs up until the next DJ connects up - which will hopefully
be
within seconds of the previous one disconnecting. If not, once the
announcement track is over, the default would be to drop back to
automation (eg. presenter having technical difficulties). I can
easily set
that up, just needs someone to record something suitable.
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