David, file vault can be enabled by default at times, you might want to confirm
although I’ll consider that removed from the possible issues since you mention
you don’t have it enabled.
Remember this behavior is not unusual at all at least it seems pretty unchanged
to me. During the install process there are user changes, some things happen
in a user level and others as root. there are also different system levels
where things run. For example, you’ll sometimes see a log in screen but then a
second or 2 later you’ll get a setup process message and another install
process is kicked off separate from the user that you log in with. Typically,
I don’t wait more than 15 seconds with out speech maybe a bit more before
toggling voice over. It’s so easy to do why not it’s not like you’re dropping
to a shell and then running a third party screen reader. Maybe there’s a
better method which I’m open to but for me a toggle here and there of VO saves
time.
Also, when upgrading you get a prompt with a count down or the ability
to restart, Voice over is required to be reactivated after pressing the restart
key because again a different run level is entered with a different user.
I’m not sure what you mean about installation sounds with out voice
over. Other than the clunky sound JFW makes I have not seen anything that does
this. I’m wondering if you mean the count down timer that happens with each
install process. Try to interact and press your arrow to the right until you
reach a counter, it should say something like X minutes to install. Each time
that display changes if you have it in focus it will click, once per minute and
then when you get in to seconds once per approximate second. Other than that
once totally complete you’ll get voiceover reestablishing as normal. I can’t
speak to the auto login feature, that’s wildly insecure so I don’t enable it.
I’m probably telling you stuff that you already know, hopefully I haven’t
waisted your time. Let me know if any of this helps at all.
On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:40 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well at least I know it is not a probloem confined to me and my friend now.
To be clear the login is Voiceover accessible, sort of, once you start
Voiceover.
The puzzle is why all of a sudden, people are now having silent login screens
appearing during El Kapitan OS maintenance updates even if they set their
Macs to start without the need for a login.
This can be very confusing as the first time it happened I left my Mac for
hours thinking it was simply taking an age to install a mega update, only to
find it had been sitting on a silent login screen which was preventing the
update from completing.
Once the update has finished installing Voiceover starts normally without the
need for a login screen as normal.
The annoyance is during the maintenance update process There is nothing
audible at all until you happen to try turning on Voiceover. Incidentally
neither me or my friend have ever used File Vault.
David Griffith
On 05/07/2016 15:49, Scott Granados wrote:
I haven’t found any voiceover inaccessible log in screens during the install
or upgrade process. VO always starts and provides feedback. I’m wondering
if this could be some sort of file vault issue on older hardware? Mine is a
2015 Mac that has sound files included in the boot loader. Are there any
audible beeps when you hit these screens?
On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx> wrote:
my situation is the same. Do you know if it is happening to older macs? My
neck is a 2010 MacBook Pro.
Lena
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On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:41 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:************
Yest it is odd.
A couple of months ago afriend rang me to complain that he was suddenly
having this issue on his Mac Air. At the time I did not have the issue
either. I thought it was something he was not understanding as I was not
then getting this problem. A few weeks later then hey presto I found that
the same thing started all of a sudden happening to me also after one of
the updates.
My Mac is set to start without a need for log on as was his Air. Yet still
the Mac is pausing without speech during updates to demand a log on.
David Griffith
On 04/07/2016 21:49, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote:************
I don't have the problem either.
On 4 Jul 2016, at 21:10, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:************
Actually I don't even have that issue and I'm using el capitan and have
ben since its release. Strange.
On Jul 4, 2016, at 12:50 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx>************
wrote:
I have not had the exact same problem. Since installing El Kapitan
though I have found that maintenance OS updates
have oddly started introducing an unspoken and unexpected log on screen
during the middle of an update process.
This did not arise when I had previous OS versions. Whilst this logon
screen is initially clunky with a button masquerading as a group i did
find that Voiceover would come on with command F5 in the normal way.
Why Apple have started introducing log on screen during update which
do not have VO speaking, even if it is the system default is a bit of a
mystery for me.
David Griffith
David Griffith On 04/07/2016 16:39, Crayto Benner wrote:
hmmmmmm, strange. I have never seen that problem before.************
On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>************
wrote:
I had somebody come to look at the computer yesterday to make sure I
knew what was going on. Apparently it was updating and needed my
Apple ID and password. However, voiceover was not speaking that. I
thought, during updating, voiceover would still speak to me. At least
I think that is what happened before. Has anybody had this problem? I
did push the command to get VoiceOver to speak but nothing happened.
Once updating was over it came up talking.
Lena
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On Jul 3, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>************
wrote:
Try booting into the recovery system with command r and hold it down
while powering your mac. And hold it for 30 seconds. Do a disk
repair and all of that in disk utility. If that does not work I'm
afraid your mac might be shot. It's 6 years old after all.
On Jul 3, 2016, at 10:33 AM, david hilbert poehlman************
<poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
command F5 or Function key command F5 should get VoiceOver started
if I remember correctly
On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>
wrote:
My 2010 MacBook Pro is not booting up. When I turn it on I hear the
hard drive spinning but it does not get to the login screen. I sort
of remember the procedures for this type of problem. Can somebody
go through the steps I need to get it up and running again? I also
have an external drive that I have been backing up to. Also do I
need to turn voiceover on or will it come on by itself? I thought
the command was control r or something. I am running the latest
software. This all started because iTunes was acting funny and I
decided to shut the system down and restart.
Lena
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