[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:43:35 -0400

Kim, I totally agree.  I hear our old friend Ken Cross screaming from his
grave.  He was a professor, and he was adamant about the importance of
proper page numbering.  He led reading groups, and needed to, well, get
everyone on the same page.
I'd go nuts, if I were still a student, and the teacher said to read pages
X-Y, and I couldn't figure out where either X or Y was.
Tracy


> Oh, yes, those were the days, weren't they? Yes, we were given page
> numbers to read, so that amazes me, the obtuseness of folks who don't
> realize the needs of those who will be reading the books. How are
> students or working people supposed to do their work if they are unable
> to cite page numbers in reports and the like? Just how are kids supposed
> to do their homework if they can't find those page numbers? You write a
> report, say, if you're a professor of anthropology or whatnot, if you
> can't give proper citations, you'll be laughed at as a sloppy scholar.
> Nobody will be impressed with the excuse that you didn't know what page
> number the quote was on but it's there in the book. Regards, Kim
> Friedman.
>
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> it.
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>
> Okay, Kim.
> Thanks.
> I appreciate hearing what you say.
> And that you heard what I did say, in the spirit intended.
>
> I think Daisy navigation is worth talking about.
> I like to read a lot more when I know I may go back and find what I
> think I
> read.
> Or if someone says, hey did you read so and so?  And they can say, well
> yeah, go to page so and so. or chapter so and so.
> You know?
> Handy dandy.
>
> And as Mike pointed out, in my day, the teachers did love to assign by
> page
> number.
> Read the Dickens, page 240-270.  Or you will catch the Dickens later.
> Got
> it?  We got it.
>
>
> Rik
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Friedman
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:34 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of
> it.
>
> Hi, Rick, I would like you to know that I don't think you were "rattling
> on" as you call it, but were expressing your quite legitimate thoughts,
> reflections, opinions, etc. and I for one am glad you wrote what you
> did. Heavens, that's how we get to know each other, by letting our
> personalities shine through our writing. Please refrain from apologizing
> for expressing your thoughts. Regards, Kim Friedman.
>
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> it.
>
>
> I appreciate your suggestions, Mayrie, although as it happens, on the
> Victor Stream, I had created the folder and indeed copied all of the
> files in there. And it reads fine. Except as we agreed, without the
> ability to navigate by page.
>
> I agree with those who have stated the opinion that page navigation has
> to still be an important component we come to rely upon in our reading,
> and has been a real benefit of the Bookshare experience, for myself, and
> am glad to hear others feel the same.
>
> I agree, with you, too, however, Mayrie. The fact that the books are
> coming from the publishers is great, and something we have also
> advocated for.
>
> If it is true, that thinking caps can come on and we and Bookshare staff
> can come up with a way to take those and, while there is no page number,
> to as one said, at least just designate that so many lines is a page and
> put the markers in there.  I'm not at all technical enough to know how.
> But I bet it could be done, and in such a way that it would not have to
> require a ton of extra time.
>
> Just something for the good old long Bookshare wish list, I reckon. And
> thankful I remain that the collaborative spirit remains in Bookshare. I
> think it is a great endeavor. And one I appreciate all of you for being
> a part of.
>
> Meanwhile, I am glad to get a book so quickly.
> A few years ago, I was out there going and buying these new books and
> scanning furiously to submit those which I had gotten a fever for from
> listening to the author on their book tour doing the radio or tv
> circuit. Now, I have reformed. Since a couple times or more I did that
> and found that my submission was rejected and the message said it
> because the book was already in the collection.  I was not paying enough
> attention to know this was happening.
>
> Anyway. I rattled on again, too long, too.
>
> Thanks.
> Rik James
>
> PS.  Now, back to Radio Unnameable with Bob Fass on WBAI.  It is my one
> late night! My Montana stream, a campfire heard crackling all the way
> from the Big Apple!
>
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