[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: "Bob W" <rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:00:23 -0500

Evan, I'm going to ignore your earlier comment about Mayrie's "loud 
clothing", though I loved it. I just can't out do it.

Our friends at Teleread.org had some timely comments about the lack of page 
numbers in ebooks.
http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/how-do-you-cite-an-e-books-page-number/
"How do you cite an e-book’s ‘page number’?"

Basically they say that the academic world needs to join the twenty-first 
century. And, I agree.

Fortunately, this isn't bookshare's problem to solve. I suspect the Daisy 
consortium will have to take it up at some point.

I'd like to know more about how the Kendal's "location" number is derived.

If I had to cite a portion of a book I would use the line numbers given by 
the jaws "j" command, if you are reading the .xml version of the book, or 
shift+f1 if you are using Kurzweil. I'd like to see some absent-minded 
professor trying to figure out how my line numbers conform to his 
tree-killing outdated book.

Just my opinion.

Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


The whole idea of pages needs to be either dropped or redefined. With Kindle
books outselling hardcover print books, and the trend toward electronic
books becoming the dominant form of publishing, it's a bit silly to try to
cling to an obsolete model of book navigation based on dead trees.

There are certainly just as good methods of citing material in a book
without page numbers. For example, just one idea I thought up over breakfast
this morning, you could have links to each paragraph in a book. They would
not be visible of course, unless you hit a button on your electronic book
reader; then the link for that paragraph would be displayed. If you needed
to cite a specific passage in a book, you could just point to that link. You
could have links to any number of features in a book, even to every word if
it were thought to be desirable.

Another example is that my Book Sense has menu items for paragraph and
phrase navigation in the NLS and Learning Ally books that I read. They don't
work right now, but certainly someone out there anticipated that these
would, or at least may, be features of a future version of Daisy. So that
capability is either envisioned, or already in process of development.

I'm sure that cleverer methods than the one I just thought up over breakfast
this morning could be devised, or are being developed right now. It seems
unlikely that people smarter than I am haven't thought about this issue.

The point is that it is silly to try to hold onto an outmoded method of
finding material or moving around in a book when it is published in a format
that has nothing to do with the older form of publishing. I wonder if people
tried to retain whatever methods for scroll navigation there were when books
started to become dominant? Probably so.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


> Hi all,
>
> Here's a thought, if a page is equal to fifty lines, then could there be a
> line counter?   At least then, no matter what type of print there is, you
> could go to line 300 or line 1335.  There needs to be some way to quantify
> the text besides just via chapter headings.  Maybe the problem can be
> solved by a line counter.   The number of lines are going to be different
> depending on size of print, but having this as a mark-up in the DAISY code
> might be helpful.
>
> What you would do is have the program count every fifty lines and insert a
> line number into the text.  Is that doable?
>
> Ann P.
>
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