Dear Sadhana
Whilst finding your post on PTSD a useful contribution I am very concerned
by your statement:
" Simply seeing and understanding these differences enables identification,
attatchment and non-acceptance to dissolve"
Some readers might deduce from this that the PTSD would resolve. That would
be a kind of psycho-spiritual reductionism that ignores the biological
aspect of PTSD. PTSD causes physical damage to the brain. The high levels of
cortisol that are secreted chronically in this condition are toxic to a part
of the brain called the hippocampus. This part of the brain is crucial in
the modulation of emotion. That means the sufferer is so easily overwhelmed
by emotion that it is extraordinarily difficult to see, understand and more
importantly experience these differences that you allude to. For this to
happen the sufferer needs very special supportive conditions over time. Even
when this happens the sufferer's hippocampus needs ongoing supportive
conditions to recover. During this time there will still be a tendency to be
easily overwhelmed.
I think it is useful for us all remain aware that Western scientists and
doctors are not the only ones capable of reductionism i.e. reducing our
understanding of cause and effect, to simple linear thinking. All of us-
including the spiritual, the psychological, the sociological and even those
enamoured of constellation theory - are prone to this error. It seduces us
by giving us a false sense of certainty, a false sense of control.
hasta la vista
Chris Walsh
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Behind The Melbourne Clinic
130 Church St, Richmond, 3121
(Melbourne, Australia)
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kay Needham
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 6:37 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we
do to aleviate this?????
Hi Hania and friends,
It is true Hania that there are two types of detachment re trauma, and
thankyou for bringing attention to this. You ask:
How could you detach from body, mind and soul if that's already done?! And
connection is broken, sometimes in an irreparable way?...
The PTSD form of detatchment is born out of non acceptance of what is as it
is, it is a secondary state of affairs............ and...........all non
acceptance, is actally primarily born out of attatchment or identification
to the body/mind.........effort is needed. So it is the mind (attachment or
effort) that is the primary issue. It is the mind attempting to detach from
itself. The same mind is trying to detach from itself.
Impossible.......repression is the outcome. Here the person is looking and
moving away from their centre. They are being taken by "centre fleeing"
activity into their periphery and sometimes out of their personal field
altogether to be disassociated, existing out of themselves. Helping the
mind to understand why attachment is there in the first place eg. loyalty,
preservation, belonging is helpful and the beginning of " acknowledging
what is."
Identification is when there is no gap or space between what a person
believes and what he or she is. Being identified with anything in the mind
is to be blind.........usually a state of blind love. The person is too
close, they do not realise that they are not this belief, they think they
are it; they have no distance from that belief and cannot get the
perspective nor understanding that distance gives. Identification is a state
of darkness that can be all consuming at times but it really is only a
matter of turning on a light somewhere and the darkness disappears. I like
Gary's reference to "Bowing to the LOVE and LIGHT that included BOTH
unconditional love of the brightest knowledge". When we are able to
understand awareness and unawareness as light and dark, no connection is
broken nor beyond repair. It is only ever a matter of direction of energy
flow, and being able to interupt "centre fleeing" directions that move into
darkness.
All life form has a centre and a periphery. The centre of emptiness or the
void or the gap is the locus of control that governs growth of awareness and
light. When we face and move inward we are in a movement of connection via
awareness and meditation. From this centre we become fully recollected and
are able to see that everything on our periphery is not us. We are able to
disidentify from blind love. We are able to see the difference between the
centre and the pheriphery, the difference between mind and no mind and the
difference between death and deathlessness.
Simply seeing and understanding these differences enables identification,
attatchment and non-acceptance to dissolve. Here detatchment happens
naturally, it is primary, connected to the centre and no effort is needed.
Kind regards
Sadhana
From: Hania Moser <haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:haniamoser%40gmail.com> >
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we
do to aleviate this?????
Hello Kay and All
I though to add a remark to what you Kay said about detachment in healing
trauma.
The idea of detachment as gaining perspective is very close to my
mind/heart/soul, and I try to reach it in my work with clients, when there
is a place and time for it.
Only having a perspective gives us a space to acknowledge of WHAT IS, of
reality in us and in others.
But detachment in trauma primarily serves as a pathological symptom (one of
the core symptoms of PTSD) - as a trauma victim (in most cases) tries to
survive unbearable
stress/shock by detaching (sometimes called as numbing,
disconnecting, disassociating).
Whatever would be the word of description - detaching/disconnecting is a
survival mechanism in a state of extreme danger, and for that it's good - to
serve a life preservation.
What trauma workers face in their work with traumatised people, one of the
most difficult points, is detachment and avoidance, and a need to connect
again to the body/soul to heal the trauma traits.
Many of my traumatised clients reported exactly that what you said Kay "I am
not the body, I am not the mind, I am not this emotion" - and it was their
way to detach from trauma (before counselling), which entrapped them
"forever" in the trauma ice cube.
In trauma healing - safe, loving connection is the biggest challenge, and it
must be achieved prior to any moving forward.
People who work in long term trauma therapy would see that for some
clients
it would be never achieved - to find a safe, loving connection with their
own body/mind/soul. Traditional spiritual healers call that condition a
"lost soul" (and they would look where that soul, disconnected from the
body, went to, and they would try to retrieve the soul, which is connecting
back process) and I like to think about it in these terms.
How could you detach from body, mind and soul if that's already done?! And
connection is broken, sometimes in an irreparable way?...
In a transgenerational trauma - connection is reached by having trauma
symptoms; client experiences trauma symptoms without physical participation
in a trauma event. That serves the need of belonging.
We - facilitators - try to help to find/reconstruct another way of loving
connection between client and his/her ancestors, not through painful
repetition of trauma in generations. Again, the first is connection.
In
relation to our - facilitators and therapists - ability to detach, I keep
(among other things) a perspective of unknown.
We talk a lot about how to help (and off course that's extremely valuable),
but there is always the other side of healing - interference with client's
fate, which we don't know.
That's one of my precious lessons from Bert - don't interfere with client's
fate.
Which is not taken literally off course - Bert was showing examples where a
recognized fate was acknowledged and respected, and it was clear that
nothing else could be done (or nothing else could be done in that moment),
and other examples where it was attempted (by facilitator) a very subtle
movement in helping client to reach beyond...
Fate (in terms of an unconscious need of following, identified also
unconsciously as a way of belonging) is an uneasy factor in the context of
helping...kind of a shadow, while we prefer to seek a
light...
It'd be interesting to hear what are your - that forum members - thoughts
about Fate...and how we could skilfully operate in that dimension...
Regards
--
Hania
*Growth does not come from striving to be a better person. Growth comes from
allowing your ego's story to drop away. (author unknown)*
On 16 September 2011 18:11, Kay Needham
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**this
Hello Anni and all,
Anni thankyou for sharing this case with us. I have been meditating on
for a few days and am touched by your involvement here. I agree that thephysical
intention of any healer serves the client best when the "individuals
holistic personhood" is seen and respected. The representation of
1. the
2. themental
3. the emotionalwould
4. the spiritual
is, I feel definately the way to go. I observe that the focus of many
healing intentions, is support and a loving environment for healing. I
like to add another dimension that actually underpins the healing of alland
trauma, and that is the dimension of awareness or detatched observation.
We cannot change what happened but we can help our clients to detach from
the trauma. That is to seperate or attain distance from it. In the gaining
of distance we are able to gain perspective, recollect ourself totally,
move forward, leaving the trauma behind. Love is good however detachmentis
the only way out.witness", of all of
To be able to observe that:
I am not the body
I am not the mind
I am not this emotion............is helpful.
To give our clients an experience of "I am the
this.....................is to help them know the dignity of "detatchedenters
observation"..........separation is a natural consequence of this.
Witnessing via meditative awareness utilizing detactched observation
into a field of non-duality or no polarity. So does the field of love and<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
ancesteral support that you describe. All healing happens here. Of course
the facilitator is only able to orchestrate these fields when being in a
state of detatched observation oneself.
Kind regards
Sadhana
From: anni <annimukkala@xxxxxxxx <mailto:annimukkala%40yahoo.ca> >
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we do
to aleviate this?????offer
Hello to all, I have had several private conversations in addition to the
posts here and I want to thank each of you who have taken the time to
both your personal support and ideas in this particular circumstance.aspects
I often work systemically with the individual's holistic personhood. By
this I mean that I set up constellation that show representations for the
various aspects of the individual such as the physical, mental, emotional,
spiritual, etc. With this in mind, I then work through each of these
to allow solution to manifest. I have begun to work with my client in thissupporting. I have used the healing touch of gentle Reiki with her to
style of work but only at an extremely gentle and intuitive level. The
emotional and physical aspects of the trauma seem to be the first things I
am
calm and ease the trauma response. This has so far proven beneficial toher.
in
Some have suggested many other simple and supportive actions I will try to
provide and implement.
I am thinking that I may hold a constellation setting where we do not look
at victim-perpetrator energy but allow healing energies to be represented
the circle. My thought is that if we hold representation for healing lovethis
and joy as well as representation for ancestors who are able to support
family then perhaps the "whole" will embrace the father, mother and babyin
an ocean of safety and wellness. My intention in holding the circle wouldbaby
not be to heal the perpetrator-victim dynamic but rather to offer this
a safe and gentle protective field. Has anyone done this kind ofconstellation?
love.
I always work with the intention of my service to be the landscape of
I work to loving solutions to issues and I believe that love can heal. Nothave
to do anything here, for me, in this situation would be to deny my own
opportunity to allow love to become more real in this family. So, I move
forward and continue to ask you all to hold the manifestation of healing
love in your thoughts for a moment as you might read this. Already some
offered support by prayers to the ancestors. I believe this to be a strongof
and effective action.
I am doing this work pro bono, of course, and last night another family
trauma developed in this family system. May my speaking here of this, be
benefit, sustenance and unity.Hoping to talk more to more of you. Anni
Thank you to all who have read these posts. You are offering support just
by your presence. Thanks.
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com> , "anni" <annimukkala@...>
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doingwork in the family systems. The trauma of a pregnant woman may shift the
This is an interesting article and points to the problems we see as we
epigenetics of her child with which she is pregnant. My goal always in
constellations is to find the love oriented solution that might offer hopechild she is pregnant with may be
and change. To find the problem, of course, is only diagnostic in nature.
with whom I am working and who is 6 plus months pregnant. Since my client
Having said this, I still would like some input on the current client
had a recent and severe trauma, there is a possibility
that the
solution that we can offer her for this possibility? I will be workingwith
her to deal with the trauma response she is having and will later look atalter
family systemic issues, but for now, my prime concern is exactly how to
offer her and the baby with which she is pregnant some way of altering the
severity of what the child may be inheriting. Hmmm? Can we do this? Are we
allowed? Is this any different than treating an illness when it is at an
extremely early stage of development? What are some specifics that may
the outcome so this baby is not born with difficulties from this trauma?If
we can work with trauma years after it occurs, how do we work trauma in a<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gail A" <gail_m_allen@>
pregnancy in the immediate aftermath of the trauma?
Anni
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wrote:<http://www.genomeweb.com/node/978919>
9/11 and looking at inherited stress.
Posting a link to a recent study involving children born soon after
http://www.genomeweb.com//node/978919
to
We see this inheritance regularly in Constellations - it's grounding
see the research that confirms it.
Gail
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