Dear All
I wanted to bring to your attending a different form of child
pornography ie a more subtle form that involves technology and social
media.
From what I am hearing and understanding over the past few months is
that our children are being over sexualised at younger ages through mass
marketing and advertising, in appropriate clothing (especially for
girls) etc ie they are being desensitised to sex . These children have
access to social media sites and smart phones computers where there is
no actual photographer just a child with technology and social media
applications that allow for "collectors of child pornography" to
befriend children under an alias (often a child of similar age) and gain
access by friendly coaxing to photos or real live videos that may not be
appropriate, these photos are then put on child pornography web sites.
I would imagine most parents wouldn't even know what applications their
child is using, let alone who is actually looking at their child's photos.
My feeling is we need to look more closely at social media sites,
advertising companies (allowing inappropriate material to be used) and
child educators (schools, parenting groups, parents) as well as the
perpetrator, parents and victim dynamics.
Cheers Katie
And as this is the first time I have ever written or responded to a post
I thought this quote was appropriate
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new"
Albert Einstein
On 5/24/2013 12:14 AM, anni wrote:
Anjelika, you refer to prepetrators. I just would like to clarify
which aspect of prepetrator we are discussing here. There are several
in the dynamics of child pornography. The first is the parent(s) who
offer their child as victim. The next is the photographer(s) which in
many cases may be some kind of organized crime, possibly in North
America groups like the 'mob' or the kkk. If you notice on any news
report, rarely is the photographer ever arrested. It is primarily the
third perpetrator, the person who collects child pornography. So, I
believe there are differences between these three when we do
constellation work.
Anjelika, to which of these do you refer when you say perpetrator in
this particular case. If I am working, I would give the most weight to
the parents in the choice they make, then to the photographers and the
rapists, organizers who manage these "photo" sessions. And last would
be those who purchase the photos. Because of the many threads of
perpetration, child pornography is a very difficult issue for the
victims (ie. the children in the photos).
And of course, in situations I have observed there is also the trauma
of origin which is two fold, cultural genocide is first. Then the
hiding of family identity.
I would suggest that anyone referring to the issue of child
pornography is quite clear about which perpetrator they are meaning.
It would just help the discussion when a comment is made if we are
quite specific.
I also would ask those who might be sitting back to throw out
questions, ideas, thoughts and comments........ this is a socially
taboo subject. Certainly even more taboo that death. So here we are
with a full platform to open up the topic. Perhaps someone has a
question, someone else and thought and then the ones reading here have
an insight and one day a child benefits. A child benefits from this
conversation. So with open hearts and a desire to "look" at this issue
perhaps we can affect things of which we have no thought now but that
come to pass. Hugs for today, Anni
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<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>, angelika schenk
<angelika.schenk@...> wrote:
seemed to
thank you Anni,
and congratulations to such a thorough investigation.
The perpetrators I personally met in my social worker years often
be quite autistic, which fits in well with your observations. Andindeed,
there were often severe traumatic events in the family of the victims asreally
well, who seemed to be uncertain as to whether they were willing to
face the issue, perhaps largely motivated by fear of aggravation (and ofmiddle
exposure?) I saw people who seemed to have come from a well educated
class background, but due to collective trauma and mental illness hadclass and
slipped down, the other part of the family appeared to come from
ethnic degradation.victim dynamic
also, I do not know if there is a clear divide between "mild " child
pornography and outright rape. I saw mothers not allowing investigations
and things sliding out of control, until police was called, not by the
family. Much fear surrounds this dark area, of course.
But what you found, is a light of hope for strong and brave people.
thank you again,
Angelika
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, anni <annimukkala@...> wrote:
**
Regarding the systemic background of child pornography I will offer a
couple of observations I have made. The explicit perpetrator
experiences areis first of all obvious. There is a victim whose torturous
said inbeing photographed with an intention to share publicly. I already
observedmy other brief post that the role of the parent/parents is one of
perpetrator in this action. But where does this take us? I have
observed it boththat several generations prior to this there is a cultural perpetrator
victim dynamic occurring. What I have seen is this. I have
observed thisin indigenous cultures that experience an attempt of cultural genocide
which may have involved deaths of many as well. Also, I have
unusualis Jewish families/cultures who have been traumatized. What is the
that as acomponent however, in the child pornography I have observed is
system, theresult of the extreme violence against the cultural or family
abuse andfamily has made an explicit decision to hide their true cultural or
historical identity. After several generations of child sexual
"See" theprostitution the family at some point chooses to move into the child
pornography dynamic. This in my sense finally asks someone to
real inhistorical dynamic that was generations prior. The seeing is very
of thethe pornographic images. The wanting to be seen is not only part
the mostcontinuation of the perpetrator victim dynamic but is a plea for the
exposure of the true family heritage that has been often hidden by
declaringextreme means. Things such as emigration, changing nationality,
of thenew religious memberships are part of the escape from the terror
past. So inoriginal perpetrator victim dynamics. Then the family hid their
use meansthis way, it is the victim that is unseen. The family system will
aspect isto allow this to be seen and eventually in pornography the seen
course, partat its height. The family is not often even aware of the background of
their ancestors while the pornography is actively going on. Of
been deniedof the solution is the seeing of the original culture that has
well asand hidden.
In my observation, child pornography is a step past and more difficult
than child sexual abuse or rape. It incorporates all of this as
than buttorture and the key is the exposure of the victim. It is not less
dynamic. As formore than as far as `weight' is concerned in constellation work. It is
usually after the others have not gotten to the root of the
an aspectthe watchers of child pornography, let us wonder if they might be
victim isof the original perpetrator seeing his victim. Imagine a religious
suppression of an indigenous culture where the act of seeing the
We cannotreplayed and those watching are asked to see the whole scenario.
children aresimply say this is more or less hurtful.... All acts that harm
to childhurtful but where is the solution? To ask why someone is addicted
alwayspornography is another dynamic I think and one I have not looked at
specifically. Allowing the loving connection to what is hidden is
longing forthe solution. Thanks for your time, Anni
I also hope others have contributions to this topic. I always believe
there are several ways that behaviors and abuses can come as a
situation, isresolution so what I have observed, although in different
some of youonly one possible systemic explanation. I hope it is helpful to
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Ursula Franke"and that there are more observations regarding this issue.
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<praxis@>
pornographywrote:
Dear colleagues,
we are in discussion about the systemic background of child
explicitand I was wondering and am interested in
what your experiences or insights are on this topic.clients, but maybe you have found repeating patterns
I have not seen any specific kind of trauma in the background of
or connections to specific events?
Still there is the difference between child pornography and the
act (?).
Watching is different from doing, although the filmed child has beenvictimized and is been exploited.
Many question to explore together.
Thank you for your comments.
Ursula
Dr. Ursula Franke-Bryson
www.ursula-franke.de
www.conexaosistemica.com.br
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