Very dear Anni
Thank you again for willing to share this part of your experience with us.
From the mud to the lotus so to speak and what a LOTUS you are. Thank you.
I remembered a very raw post you shared perhaps 7 years ago and you
described the trauma you endured as a baby which was unfathomable to me. I
remembered I wept reading it and went into a brain freeze feeling your
purity that remained untouched by all the unconscious acts of the
perpetrator. I then shared your post with my house mate who then for the
first time shared her own horrific past with parents knowing. She told me
then of the different personalities that she would have to split off into
in order to survive. For years she sought treatments to overcome her
adrenal exhaustion from the traumas both done to and the witnessing of her
siblings being victimized too.
She attends as many constellation workshops as she can and told me it has
been most helpful for her. She also receives body work as she said mostly,
the trauma still resides in her cells. She is almost 70 and she is another
LOTUS from the mud. She continues to be an amazing contributor to the
community. I learn so much from her and you, Anni on this topic. Thank you.
Anni, I am so comforted that you are a facilitator of this work and can
help so many from your own past to bring the light into the systemic
component to this very complex matter that probably sits as the core of so
much madness in the world these days. It feels like it has reached
saturation point and perhaps change can only happen at this peaking point?!
I sometimes wonder and perhaps it is too simple again on my part that a
gentle birth may encourage more gentleness to oneself and then to others?!
My friend in Bali is a midwife and much more and her caption for her clinic
is "a gentle birth, a gentle world". Some of you may have also heard of
her, Ibu Robin who was awarded by CNN last year as the hero of the year.
Anni, very insightful and courageous of you again to invite folks on this
forum to share their imput and thereby bathing in the calm lake of love
together no matter what. Perhaps giving it all a place and letting it be
spoken of no matter how difficult may allow for more light versus keeping
it hidden in the basement. The three girls in Cleaveland just released were
kept in the basement for 10 years. Perhaps they will be lead to you Anni
for your workshop.
I hope to see you in October at the conference dear Anni! I see you
authoring a book on constellation work and this topic in the near future.
For all other friends, I am looking forward to the USA conference in
October and it will be wonderful to see you too who are attending.
Wrapping you in lovelovelove and gratitude
Anutosh
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM, anni <annimukkala@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Anutosh,
Well, I am not sure we can lessen the perversion as you say. What a
promise of hope that would be! But that death is a key component in my
observations is clear. The family is persecuted, family members die, the
family flees, the family denies their identity which means that they also
deny the deaths of those lost in the persecutions. That seems to be the
line I have observed. Reclaiming the family identity in some way also
includes seeing their dead. So the sex and death here dance like blind
partners. Perhaps the sexual aspect of pornography of the child also is a
plea for new life amidst trauma. These things have many aspects and are
truly complex.
I think if we simply allow the mother and the father to stand exactly as
they are then we move into truth. The mother and father of the child
photographed are seen in their fullness even if the child does not really
know the history. The mother and father simply claim all their heritage. I
think this is a starting point. And perhaps seeing the hidden dead may add
to this.
Just some more thoughts. I am so grateful for this thread because like
most of us, I don't choose to spend my time thinking about these issues on
a sunny summer afternoon. So the conversation is asking me to collect and
share on this topic with which I am so familiar.
Today is the National Victor Walk in Canada to being awareness, advocacy
and healing to child sexual abuse issues. I am just heading out to join our
local walkers as they meet at our government buildings. To have spent last
night and this morning thinking and writing about child sexual abuse/ child
pornography I again see the universe drawing things toward the one. I hope
to make some lovely connections with amazing people today. A good day to
bring awareness to an issue seldom talked about. I may just not the
'coincidence' of it all to some of the walkers who have already journeyed
from Toronto to Ottawa and are meeting our Members of Parliament today. We
can never know the impact our conversation have in the grand systemic
picture. Today is exactly the right day to be having this conversation.
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Anutoshf Foo <anutoshf@...>
wrote:
topics.
Dear Ursula and Dear Anni
Thank you Ursula for asking and Thank you Anni for your sharing.
I am very touched by your courage and generosity dear Anni.
Sex and death seem to go hand in hand and also such taboo on these
Wondering if they were given their rightful places, perhaps there will be
less pervertion?!
Love & Hugs
Anutosh
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:38 PM, anni <annimukkala@...> wrote:
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difference
Ursula, One question you posed I quote: "> Still there is the
thatbetween child pornography and the explicit act
(?)."
I am not entirely certain what you mean by the question. Do you mean
different? Ithere is a difference between taking child pornography pictures and an
explicit sexual assault to the child or do you mean something
Thanks.would love to discuss more after you have clarified the question.
pornography
I know that often some persons who are not familiar with child
not themay sometimes believe the pictures are only naked children. This is
imagescase although some pictures certainly may only be this. There are
thatthat we would not normally consider nor would we even really imagine
definition ofare deep in the secretive world that is a money machine in child
pornography. I think we cannot discuss the issue without some
athe kinds of pictures that are taken of children. Of course, there are
children,variety of raping a child, but ligatures and other tortures are used.
Children are sexually assaulted by the use of animals and I would think
innumerable objects of penetration. Images that include things such as
snakes and other things, perhaps insects are other ways of manifesting
torture. And, yes, dead persons are used as sexual partners for
whensometimes complete with coffin. I am not trying to alarm anyone but
kindsthe media speaks of child pornography there is never reference to the
awareof images that children are used for aside from disclosure of nude
pictures. This is a social disconnect. As facilitators we need to be
pornography.of the extent of the meaning for children when we say child
trauma
I also say these things so that someone who is inexperienced with
forand the depth of where these memories must be held by a child in order
deepthat child to get up and go to school the next day are clear. There is
theredissociation as there often is with child sexual assault and other
traumatic experiences. To hold this kind of trauma in a constellation
These areneeds to be an incredible gentleness in a fully safe environment.
veryusually not one session bits of work but deep processes that take a
withlong time to bring into awareness.
Let's bathe this conversation in a lake of love. For us and for those
story. Notwhom we work. I suppose I ought to share. Some of this is my own
thesethe most severe but some. It is obviously why I choose to work with
lived it.issues but also it is why a lot of people are drawn to me. I have
pornographyAnd the love lake is just a wonderful place to rest. Hugs! Anni
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Dr. Ursula Franke" <praxis@
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
we are in discussion about the systemic background of child
explicitand I was wondering and am interested in
what your experiences or insights are on this topic.clients, but maybe you have found repeating patterns
I have not seen any specific kind of trauma in the background of
or connections to specific events?
Still there is the difference between child pornography and the
act (?).
Watching is different from doing, although the filmed child has beenvictimized and is been exploited.
Many question to explore together.
Thank you for your comments.
Ursula
Dr. Ursula Franke-Bryson
www.ursula-franke.de
www.conexaosistemica.com.br
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