I haven't seen the virtual piano in years. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:24 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes Phil, It certainly was - don't remember seeing it in any Sonar release. Does anybody know of a third-party equivalent? Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for change at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Muir Sent: 28 September 2006 14:03 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes Think there used to be a vurtual piano a while back. Mind you, that may have been in the days of Cakewalk. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions Music And Audio Production URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes > Hi, > > Just been reading up a bit on Sonar 5's step recording and yes, you do > need > a means of getting notes into the machine. There was a thread a little > while ago about using the QWERTY keyboard as a note input device - does > anybody have the details, please? If there is a method of doing this, > then > we have a complete step recording system with no MIDI controller or > keyboard > required. > > > Best wishes. > > Tim Burgess > Raised Bar Ltd > Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 > > Don't forget to vote for change at > http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On > Behalf Of Sandy Licht > Sent: 28 September 2006 00:18 > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes > > Don't you have to use a midi controller of some kind to use step > recording? > In Sonar 5, step recording is definitely more user friendly than it was in > Sonar 2. > > At 04:28 PM 9/27/2006, Tim Burgess wrote: >>Hi, >> >>There's the step recording mode. Haven't played with it for a while, >>but this method of recording made a lot of folks a lot of money in the >>80s (giving away my age...). >> >>Best wishes. >> >>Tim Burgess >>Raised Bar Ltd >>Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 >> >>Don't forget to vote for change at >>http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rosser >>Sent: 27 September 2006 21:44 >>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes >> >>Hi Tim, my name is Ross, I also am wanting to make use of the piano >>roll in sonar 5. I see what you are saying about jaws not being >>accessible in the piano roll window, I was wandering is there any >>other way of creating bassline,synth patterns without using the piano >>roll. Obviously also without using a keyboard or some instrument, I >>want to be able to do it myself on the computer. thanks Ross >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:05 PM >>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes >> >> >> > Phil, >> > >> > The Piano Roll is a sort of half-way house between step record >> > editing and editing using the Event View. It's a lot easier for a >> > sighted person to see where notes line up to others at their start >> > and end points when using this view, so it's really useful if >> > you're preparing patterns, drum or otherwise, that you're intending >> > to loop, as you can make note durations, etc, really tight without >> > having > to quantise. >> > >> > Must have another look at it myself to try and figure out how you >> > could express its output in speech and/or Braille, but it certainly >> > wouldn't be easy, though it would be great if we could make it >> > possible. >> > >> > It's absolutely the right thing to do to define to a manufacturer >> > why we need something to work then offer suggestions as to possible >> > methods of making it happen. >> > >> > Best wishes. >> > >> > Tim Burgess >> > Raised Bar Ltd >> > Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 >> > >> > Don't forget to vote for change at >> > http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> > On >> > Behalf Of Phil Muir >> > Sent: 24 September 2006 08:48 >> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes >> > >> > Hi Sean!! >> > >> > It's a view that's never been supported by CT. My guess is that, >> > if it were scriptable then, David would have done it by now. >> > >> > I need to take a look at it again. Looked at it briefly however, >> > still not entirely convinced that, it's a view that could be made >> > really accessible in it's current state, ether with CT or, JSonar. >> > For example, if you locate a MIDI note in there, pressing enter on >> > it, won't allow you to alter the value. >> > >> > Also, the various values in the piano roll view, only spoke in >> > JSonar, when I set the Jaws highlight to "Say All." Perhaps if we >> > had a good understanding of what the piano roll view is used for >> > then, we could present a good case to 12 tone, explaining why it >> > doesn't work in it's current state, and what would be required to >> > put it > right. >> > >> > It would be worth you getting some of your eyes over there to take >> > a look at it with you. That would probably confirm it for you. >> > >> > Regards, Phil Muir >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sean A. 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